How can any of you expect Jim to be friends with Pam?! He clearly said that being friends is not enough. When a guy puts it on the line, there is no going back to friends. I would never tolerate such a situation, and neither can Jim. The nerve of Pam saying that they were best friends before Stamford!
I dont know if people have said this but I am not going to go read 600 comments to find out. Does Pam know that Jim has applied for the same job as Michael??? I dont think so, because when he said it in the circle, Pam was off in the distance walking on fire. I just dont know how that is going to play into the finale. Maybe they’ll just ignore this fact all together.
617 | Mrs. Michael Scott Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 6:23pm
That was a great episode…..but what got me really mad was how my tivo cut off right after Pam’s little speech. I wondering did this happen to anyone else? I saw a couple other people wrote about. I was also wondering if it was nbc or the tivo?
About the whole Karen/look thing during Pam’s speech: I don’t think she was impressed by Pam’s ballsy-ness at all. The camera doesn’t show her until Pam says something like “And you’re with someone else and that’s fine…” To me, that look was a response to “That’s fine…” like, ‘Who made Pam the authority on whether or not it’s fine for Jim to date someone?’ I think she looked peeved.
Just from watching the episode, I think that Jim and Karen called David Wallace, not the other way around. And for some reason I think that Michael is totally gonna land the job. And how much more entertaining would it be if Michael did get it, and suddenly he wasn’t a self-perceived big fish in a little pond anymore, but some kind of guppy in a lake? The Scrantonites endlessly humor him because deep down they care, but in New York his indefinable Michaelness is bound to cause some serious tension. That makes for far better comedy in my opinion.
It might be true that the show isn’t the way it used to be, but if the show never changed that wouldn’t be good storytelling. Without some kind of change, we wouldn’t have the beautiful coal-walking, speech-making Pam we got on Thursday night. And you can go back and pinpoint every moment this season that moved her along to this point.
I know a lot of people are and have been disappointed by the whole Jim/Pam thing not panning out from the beginning of the season, but I think the way the show has been written has been perfect. And, you know, the show is only 20-something minutes long each week, and every single second is carefully deliberating over before the episode is sent to the network; for people to criticize and say that something (like Pam’s speech) was out of character seems a little bit presumptuous. I just think that the creators, producers, and writers know what they’re doing. And God bless ‘em.
Also, I just have to say that the writers really do make this show amazing. Yes, that is a really big understatement, but think of it this way. In television shows, a love confession/kiss is not really a big deal. It happens on every show practically at some point. Even though those things would be a big deal in real life (i mean if they happened in our own lives)at this point in television, it is hard to shock people, especially when it comes to TV romances, because people think they have seen it all before. And yet these writers continue to amaze us with rather ordinary people doing sort-of ordinary stuff and somehow manage to make it so compelling.
I think the best possible evidence I have of this (even more than casino night or booze cruise or christmas party or the secret)is a seemingly rather insignificant episode: the carpet. Honestly, it takes a lot of talent to make pam’s couple of little trivial phone messages at the end of the day into a sort of happy giddy moment for viewers. Those silly phone calls were just little signs that pam cares a lot about jim, and just what a connection they have, enough to make viewers really happy.
Um, it may be a really really small sort of insignificant thing, but just something I wanted to add that might redeem Jim just a little bit more from this episode. Watch the scene when Dwight is on the hot coals and literally has fallen over from burning. Jim, in the background, is getting ready to try to help/save him from the coals. I just thought that seemed nice.
But that being said, I think being with Karen this entire season, paired with him putting up a wall against Pam, has made him a little less lovable, more ambitious in a way that seems sort of cold. Karen seems to have him thinking that the job, making money, moving up the corporate ladder, etc. is the most important thing. We know from how many years he spent working at Dunder Mifflin, despite the fact he was annoyed by his fellow employees and bored with his job, was because he knew what was really important (to him at least). He seems to have forgotten that, with some of Karen’s help.
It also seems, to me at least, that Pam’s speech is sort of a wakeup call. That he really isn’t the same way he used to be and it might be time to assess which version of himself makes him happier.
RE: one of the 500s posts about how this show is supposed to be about the comedy, not Jim and Pam:
I used to watch it for the comedy, but this season I’ve felt there wasn’t as much as there used to be. I don’t necessarily watch it for Jam, but I think that their relationship added to a lot of the comedy in the first season at least. They were having fun, and brought the whole Office along for the ride. This season there isn’t a Jam at all (as Pam mentioned in her monologue) and I think it has cast a pall over the whole Office. I’d like to see at least them back to their old tricks - how about Karen gets the NY job and Jim stays in Scranton, so they have a flip of what was happening in the beginning - Pam has to pine for Jim while he’s in a dysfunctional relationship?
In any case, I’d love to see more of the comedy back, and that involves Jim being the instigator more than he has been.
i have to add to my last post (which was hundreds of posts ago)that i love the smile michael had when pam said maybe she should be his boss. there was something about that smile that touched me.
I know I sound like a dork, but I loved it when Steve Carell sang on the bus. It was so cute. ;)
608 | The Office Fanatic Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 10:49am
This is just my opinion but I rewatched (obsessive I know) Pam’s speech on NBC.com and Karen looks pissed! Jim looks totally shell shocked. Glad Michael’s last comment left it on a funny note.
Ed Helms, Steve Carell, Rainn Wilson rocked this episode. Nothing new.
622 | Mrs. Michael Scott Sun. Jun. 15, 2008 at 7:37pmI just watched this episode again. Does anyone know who the person in the background making the fire is? It doesn’t look like anyone in the office.
621 | Sheikia Sun. May. 25, 2008 at 6:08pmwell they were best friends before Stamford. and he got a new girlfriend. forgive and forget!
620 | Sara Thu. May. 17, 2007 at 8:17pmHow can any of you expect Jim to be friends with Pam?! He clearly said that being friends is not enough. When a guy puts it on the line, there is no going back to friends. I would never tolerate such a situation, and neither can Jim. The nerve of Pam saying that they were best friends before Stamford!
619 | Dundee Thu. May. 17, 2007 at 1:35pmwatching the episode yet again, I think the lighting was terrible. Pam looked so old in her speech with her brow furrowed.
618 | gwennie Thu. May. 17, 2007 at 11:27amI dont know if people have said this but I am not going to go read 600 comments to find out. Does Pam know that Jim has applied for the same job as Michael??? I dont think so, because when he said it in the circle, Pam was off in the distance walking on fire. I just dont know how that is going to play into the finale. Maybe they’ll just ignore this fact all together.
617 | Mrs. Michael Scott Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 6:23pmThat was a great episode…..but what got me really mad was how my tivo cut off right after Pam’s little speech. I wondering did this happen to anyone else? I saw a couple other people wrote about. I was also wondering if it was nbc or the tivo?
616 | Office Fanatic Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 4:53pmI hate to say it, but I thought this was the WORST episode this season, if not the entire series. I’m hoping for a much stronger finale.
615 | Dwight's Bobblehead Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 3:36pmDid anything happen after Pam’s speech? My tivo cut off as soon as she walked away.
614 | andrew Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 3:31pmAbout the whole Karen/look thing during Pam’s speech: I don’t think she was impressed by Pam’s ballsy-ness at all. The camera doesn’t show her until Pam says something like “And you’re with someone else and that’s fine…” To me, that look was a response to “That’s fine…” like, ‘Who made Pam the authority on whether or not it’s fine for Jim to date someone?’ I think she looked peeved.
Just from watching the episode, I think that Jim and Karen called David Wallace, not the other way around. And for some reason I think that Michael is totally gonna land the job. And how much more entertaining would it be if Michael did get it, and suddenly he wasn’t a self-perceived big fish in a little pond anymore, but some kind of guppy in a lake? The Scrantonites endlessly humor him because deep down they care, but in New York his indefinable Michaelness is bound to cause some serious tension. That makes for far better comedy in my opinion.
It might be true that the show isn’t the way it used to be, but if the show never changed that wouldn’t be good storytelling. Without some kind of change, we wouldn’t have the beautiful coal-walking, speech-making Pam we got on Thursday night. And you can go back and pinpoint every moment this season that moved her along to this point.
I know a lot of people are and have been disappointed by the whole Jim/Pam thing not panning out from the beginning of the season, but I think the way the show has been written has been perfect. And, you know, the show is only 20-something minutes long each week, and every single second is carefully deliberating over before the episode is sent to the network; for people to criticize and say that something (like Pam’s speech) was out of character seems a little bit presumptuous. I just think that the creators, producers, and writers know what they’re doing. And God bless ‘em.
613 | Gina Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 1:52pmAlso, I just have to say that the writers really do make this show amazing. Yes, that is a really big understatement, but think of it this way. In television shows, a love confession/kiss is not really a big deal. It happens on every show practically at some point. Even though those things would be a big deal in real life (i mean if they happened in our own lives)at this point in television, it is hard to shock people, especially when it comes to TV romances, because people think they have seen it all before. And yet these writers continue to amaze us with rather ordinary people doing sort-of ordinary stuff and somehow manage to make it so compelling.
I think the best possible evidence I have of this (even more than casino night or booze cruise or christmas party or the secret)is a seemingly rather insignificant episode: the carpet. Honestly, it takes a lot of talent to make pam’s couple of little trivial phone messages at the end of the day into a sort of happy giddy moment for viewers. Those silly phone calls were just little signs that pam cares a lot about jim, and just what a connection they have, enough to make viewers really happy.
612 | Ellie Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 1:46pmUm, it may be a really really small sort of insignificant thing, but just something I wanted to add that might redeem Jim just a little bit more from this episode. Watch the scene when Dwight is on the hot coals and literally has fallen over from burning. Jim, in the background, is getting ready to try to help/save him from the coals. I just thought that seemed nice.
But that being said, I think being with Karen this entire season, paired with him putting up a wall against Pam, has made him a little less lovable, more ambitious in a way that seems sort of cold. Karen seems to have him thinking that the job, making money, moving up the corporate ladder, etc. is the most important thing. We know from how many years he spent working at Dunder Mifflin, despite the fact he was annoyed by his fellow employees and bored with his job, was because he knew what was really important (to him at least). He seems to have forgotten that, with some of Karen’s help.
It also seems, to me at least, that Pam’s speech is sort of a wakeup call. That he really isn’t the same way he used to be and it might be time to assess which version of himself makes him happier.
611 | Ellie Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 1:33pmRE: one of the 500s posts about how this show is supposed to be about the comedy, not Jim and Pam:
I used to watch it for the comedy, but this season I’ve felt there wasn’t as much as there used to be. I don’t necessarily watch it for Jam, but I think that their relationship added to a lot of the comedy in the first season at least. They were having fun, and brought the whole Office along for the ride. This season there isn’t a Jam at all (as Pam mentioned in her monologue) and I think it has cast a pall over the whole Office. I’d like to see at least them back to their old tricks - how about Karen gets the NY job and Jim stays in Scranton, so they have a flip of what was happening in the beginning - Pam has to pine for Jim while he’s in a dysfunctional relationship?
In any case, I’d love to see more of the comedy back, and that involves Jim being the instigator more than he has been.
610 | Elspeth Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 11:36ami have to add to my last post (which was hundreds of posts ago)that i love the smile michael had when pam said maybe she should be his boss. there was something about that smile that touched me.
609 | jack m. fan Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 11:09amI know I sound like a dork, but I loved it when Steve Carell sang on the bus. It was so cute. ;)
608 | The Office Fanatic Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 10:49amThis is just my opinion but I rewatched (obsessive I know) Pam’s speech on NBC.com and Karen looks pissed! Jim looks totally shell shocked. Glad Michael’s last comment left it on a funny note.
607 | Renee Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 10:16amOh yeah, and post 592 — my sentiments exactly!
606 | H Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 9:49amRe 594
605 | H Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 9:47amI think the yellow thing in Andy’s hand was the bandana they used for the egg race. I still have no idea what he was doing with it!
Did anyone notice how Dwight was still calling Ryan “temp” even though he’s been a full-time employee for at least six months? That Dwight.
604 | Voltaire Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 9:20amwhat was andy doing when he fell into the lake? he looked like he was holding a napkin, but i’m not sure.
603 | mufasa howard Sat. May. 12, 2007 at 9:07am