Comments on: The Office: Diwali, 3.06

By: Mrs. Michael Scott

Mrs. Michael Scott — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:08:17 +0000

ahh I know Hindi so I understood the Zach Braff bit.

Kelly’s sisters were saying “Kelly prefers Zach Braff.” And Ryan replies “what’d you say about Zach Braff”.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:41:15 +0000

great episode and a funny song. They hit the nail on the head on this episode!

By: Dick

Dick — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:17:05 +0000

Its wonderful, Sweet!

By: Mrs. Michael Scott

Mrs. Michael Scott — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:53:16 +0000

I know BJ Novak writes sometimes for the show, but I cant stand his character (Ryan). Is it just me?

By: Liz

Liz — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:41:06 +0000

I am pretty sure someone hasn’t already said this, but at the end of this episode when Pam is taking home Michael and Karen is taking home Jim, you have the same moment, but totally different situations because Karen WANTS to take home Jim and taking home Michael is the last this Pam wants to do.

By: Samuel L Chang

Samuel L Chang — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:49:42 +0000

I have one last comment related to cars – sort of…

Between Jim bicycling to work and the car pool discussion at the beginning of the episode, I thought that Mindy was intentionally emphasizing alternative transit in this episode. And I think that is VERY COOL and something you don’t see a whole lot on TV nowadays (especially since TV shows are trying to get ad dollars from car companies).

By: Drewjames

Drewjames — Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:07:00 +0000

this episode show how much Jim and Pam are alike.
Jim is usually the one who is there to talk to Michael after he’s humiliated himself, like in the Booze Cruise. But in this episode is was Pam who was there for Michael… even after he tried to kiss her she gave him a ride home.

By: littlekidlover

littlekidlover — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:24:09 +0000

each episode has so much deleted material. they need to make The Office into an hour long show

By: ajaf

ajaf — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:40:51 +0000

i lovge jim in non-homosexual ways lol

hes great i love this SHOW

By: The Anti-soccermom

The Anti-soccermom — Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:54:23 +0000

Thanks, JK, I feel exactly the same way.

I think it’s pretty obvious that I freaking love this show. I think that what people forget is the thing that makes this show great is that all the characters are fundamentally flawed. I am rooting for Jim and Pam just like everyone else, but at the same time I like the Karen storyline and look forward to seeing how it will play out after the merger.

I would never presume to be an expert- I don’t tivo the episodes and go back and watch them over and over again. I watch them as they come out, and I don’t even own the season 2 DVD (yet). I am totally open to other people’s take on things and love hearing them!

By: JK Smith

JK Smith — Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:05:57 +0000

Anti-soccermom – thanks for your comments :) Seriously, this is one of the few forums I’ve been on where I feel like people really want to discuss things intelligently and not resort to nasty barbs. I can see what you mean in everything you wrote. Either I’m just getting better and understanding other points of view, or people are responding in a way that doesn’t seem attack-ish. I really enjoy being part of a rational discussion about Jim and Pam, rather than just an “OOOH, I want them to be together” or “They can’t bring them together or it will ruin the show” debate.

By: dinkin flicka

dinkin flicka — Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:11:56 +0000

That makes perfect sense! Thanks!

By: SPTS

SPTS — Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:09:53 +0000

I’ve always thought the declaration in the parking lot was #1 and then the kiss and him asking if she was still planning on marrying Roy was #2.

By: SPTS

SPTS — Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:09:05 +0000

I’ve always thought the declaration in the parking lot was 1 and then the kiss and him asking if she was still planning on marrying Roy was 2.

By: dinkin flicka

dinkin flicka — Wed, 08 Nov 2006 02:27:20 +0000

I’ve pored through all sorts of threads and have rewatched all the episodes looking for the second instance where Jim put himself out there for Pam. Am I missing something beyond Casino Night?

By: bubblewrap

bubblewrap — Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:22:16 +0000

JK, Over at the NBC office boards we have a person who writes about Jim and Pam from every episode- we all thought the same thing about the flashback until we all read this- it helps a lot and is very thought out. Its a lot to read but definitely worth the read- I learned a lot: The Pam Dichotomy: S3, Season 3 Addenda The Jim Paradox S3, Season 3 Addenda

By: The Anti-soccermom

The Anti-soccermom — Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:27:58 +0000

One more thing and then I’ll shut up (though I make no guarantees):

You also should take into consideration that Pam did have feelings for Roy- this is evident by her body language when Roy leaves Casino Night, and countless other times that I won’t list now. She constantly defended his bad behavior and often seemed oblivious to what a jerk he was. So she was probably feeling a tremendous amount of guilt about the kiss and any feelings that she was having towards Jim. This guilt wouldn’t go away even after she called off the wedding.

By: The Anti-soccermom

The Anti-soccermom — Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:13:16 +0000

Believe it or not JK, I agree with you. Which seems like it’s a contradiction to what I said before, so let me explain:

I thought the whole “flashback” thing was weird and completely out of place in the scope of the whole TV show, simply because it doesn’t fit with the “mockumentary” concept. But, in the show’s defense, it did it’s job. I also think that there was another confrontation between Jim and Pam that we haven’t heard about yet. I said that after Convention when Jim said that he put himself out there twice. I think that Casino night was once and that there was one other time. I mean, it’s not like Jim cleaned out his desk and disappeared right after the kiss happened- there had to be some time after that that Jim and Pam still had to exist in the same office. As far as Jim just walking away when she said that she was still marrying Roy- what else was he supposed to do? He told her he loved her and he kissed her- and she still turned him down. I would assume he was hurt and humiliated and just wanted to get out of there.

I liked Jenna’s blog because she offered insight into what Pam’s feeling- and some explanation as to why Pam wouldn’t contact Jim as soon as she called the wedding off. But it certainly still leaves a lot to speculation, and I’m sure that’s intentional on Jenna’s part.

I do agree with the way the writers are handling the whole thing- Jim and Pam should not be together yet; but they do need to be in the same office again.

To offer a bit of personal insight in addition to Jenna’s take on things- I married my high school sweetheart, and a few years ago we almost split (thank god we didn’t and are 15 years strong now). I can tell you that the last thing that was on my mind was getting involved with someone else. I was wrapping my brain around the idea that I’d have to learn to stand on my own two feet and be my own person. I like to think that’s what Pam is doing right now.

By: rachel (2)

rachel (2) — Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:11:02 +0000

JK, drew, et al: Wanted to express a few random thoughts about the Jim/Pam thread: As mentioned, I’m pretty new to “The Office” & in fact just saw the first episode of the UK “Office” the other day. It is the same script as the American pilot, as you all likely know.
What struck me about the UK version was the poignancy of the Tim-Dawn relationship. There’s an undercurrent of longing, wistfulness, & a slightly more serious tone than the US version. It’s not as cheery, upbeat or (sometimes) as stagey as the US version. Tim expresses his desire to return to university for example…marooned dreams aplenty in that office…the whole set of characters is kind of pathetic and their being thrown togther in the same offfice, and being filmed while at it, just throws into relief each person’s personal failings, character flaws and loneliness. The Tim/Dawn-Jim/Pam thing is the one beacon of light in the whole thing, & it highlights the striving for the ideal and lets you hope for it.
I think there are , amidst the satire, and the recent zaniness, moments of deep poignancy in the US version, also. For example, and I don’t think this has really been brought out definitively, but Pam, as we have been discussing here, is “not a go-getter” — she is a lovely young woman who has not been on a trajectory in life that will allow her to develop all her capacities and talents, nor has she engaged in relationships that nurture her soul. She’s stuffed away her talent for drawing, for example, and allowed Roy (truly a destructive force for her) to deny her the chance to advance this talent. Yet in several instances, she’s pushed away Jim, who truly values her, cares about her “thoughts and feelings” and encourages her to develop her talents, and her motivation is that she, in a nutshell, does not value herself enough to be open to such possibilities – in a word “low self-esteem.” Not a “go-getter”. That is why women like Pam, chumps basically, allow men like Roy into their lives. It’s a breakthrough that she could separate from Roy, strike out on her own, take art classes, and…eventually (it wouldn’t be believable if it happened overnight) she’ll be able to be a part of an intimate relationship that will let her soul thrive.
So, as I said, I will be inconsolable if they don’t get togther! The chemistry of these two actors togther is really a wonderful thing.
Pardon me if I’m off-topic here; it is just really fun discussing this – have been starved to do so for quite a few weeks now!

By: JK Smith

JK Smith — Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:05:38 +0000

“GWH did a great job explaining what happenned with Jim and Pam,”

I disagree, Anti-soccermom. That opening scene was totally implausible to me. I can’t imagine that Jim would simply walk away after all he put on the line (I mean, why didn’t he say, “Why are you going to marry him? Do you really love him? Do you love ME?” Why let it drop the way he did?). And what was with Pam’s “we’re drunk” line? After she admitted that she wanted to kiss him, too? She wasn’t drunk and she knew it. If that’s what happened – and I think there was more to it that we haven’t seen yet, hopefully some sort of keeper explanation that will put things into perspective – then I think it was poorly written, poorly acted, or poorly edited (or all three). I know that sounds harsh, but I do feel that strongly about it. If I were a new viewer and that was all the explanation I’d been given after all the NBC hype over Jim and Pam, I’d be totally unimpressed and would not tune in again.

“Jenna wrote a great explanation about why Pam isn’t with Jim in her myspace blog.”

I read that, too, and it seemed a little contrived to me. Why are the cast and crew so forthcoming about some explanations and yet so secretive about others? If it had been done well in the series itself, it wouldn’t require further explanation, I don’t think.

No, they don’t have to appease JAM fans. But they must be doing what they’re doing with the understanding that they might be losing some old fans and/or are alienating some new fans, too.