Latest WGA strike news

The Writers Guild of America (WGA) went on strike from Monday, November 5, 2007 through Tuesday, February 12, 2008. This included all the WGA writers who work on ‘The Office.’

The strike came after “three months of negotiations between the WGA and the AMPTP (Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers).” Areas of contention included DVD residuals and payments for “new media” (like last summer’s webisodes).

Latest news:

  • Feb. 26: Writers Guild Members Overwhelmingly Ratify New Contract — “The members of the Writers Guild of America, West (WGAW) and Writers Guild of America, East (WGAE) today put their final stamp of approval on the deal that ended their 14-week strike, giving writers new rights and protections for work distributed on and created for the Internet and other new media platforms. An overwhelming majority of the WGA membership voted in favor of ratifying the three-year contract by 93.6 percent of 4,060 votes cast in Los Angeles and New York. The term of the agreement is from February 13, 2008 through May 1, 2011.” More NEW

Videos: The Office is Closed | Why We Fight | This Is Our Moment

Call to action: Write a letter | Write a letter (part 2)

Ongoing strike coverage: Deadline Hollywood Daily | United Hollywood

Previous news after the jump.

Tipsters: Rayne, Jules, GMMR, Wasa-B, Annie, Dean, AKH, Jodi, Lori, Carly, Kelsey, JustCari, Amy, Secondrink, Alyssa, CH, Arden, llynn20

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998 thoughts on “Latest WGA strike news”

  1. In response to the Ask Auselio article – major props to Steve Carrell and the rest of the actors/writers for helping to spring $2000 for each crew member! It just reinforces the fact that The Office possesses the generous and tight-knit solidarity many people do not realize is a possibility in the glamor and glitz atmosphere of Hollywood.

  2. Since I don’t want my hopes to be dashed across the rocks, I’m going to wait until there are new episodes until I really believe the strike is over.

  3. Hey everyone, in case you’re curious we’re supposed to find out if the strike is officially ended at 10pm EST tonight. I’m not sure if this is common knowledge.. I wasn’t able to find it posted anywhere but I’m personally very interested in it! :D [source]

  4. This is like Christmas Eve, only it’s Office Eve, and there’s no more Grinch! Pretty soon we’ll have presents!

  5. Hallelujah friends! I’m so excited. Tanster, that is the best banner ever. They might just make YOU a writer on the show!

  6. 1006 — Great TWSS!

    Let’s keep ’em coming (TWSS). I’ll frigging take 6 episodes if that will erase Celebrity Apprentice off the Thursday schedule!

  7. I’m so thrilled we get our favorite show back! I’m a little bummed that it’s only six episodes, but I’d be happy with six *minutes* of new content, so I’ll take it.

    I’ve read that My Name is Earl is planning to have nine new eps, so it may be hard on those “Tonight, an all-new Earl!” weeks not to have an “all-new Office” as well. But, as my mom always said, beggars can’t be choosers. I’m guessing Greg Daniels is choosing quality over quantity.

  8. I think 6 episodes is great. If you think about it, there were 12 episodes before the break (if you count hour-longs as 2 episodes each), so with 6 more, we’ll have 18 total. I’d buy that DVD, no problem. Heck, I bought Season 1 with only 6 episodes total!

    P.S. Lord Beer Me Strength – I’m totally sad about no more Chuck until the fall. Definitely NOT awesome.

  9. What’s all this “Boo hoo, 6 episodes isn’t enough” and “I wish they’d extend the season”

    I think we should all just be happy that we’re getting anything.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love The Office, but I’d rather have 6 episodes and the promise of a 5th season than nothing at all.

  10. Terrific news!

    Now my question is: When do the episodes pick up?

    I don’t care if its mid-May. I want a Christmas episode.

    I wonder how they are going to go about the time change AND how they are deal with Angela’s pregnancy.

  11. I really hope they do extend the season until early June. I heard that rumor somewhere else as well. 5-6 episodes simply is not enough, especially since we were expecting sooo many extra episodes this season to begin with. I hate to say I’m a little bummed?

  12. I so happy I could cry. ;_; *tear*

    #984: Lord, beer me strength is the greatest name ever. I ROTFLMAO-ed at that forever.

  13. This great news is an excellent way to start off the week!

    And, I couldn’t agree with you more, janetws (as long as you’re willing to share your coffee at the Convention again)! :)

  14. that banner is AWESOME!
    you must have worked hard on that…that’s what she said…

    thank god there will be more office and the writers will be getting what they so richly deserve!
    that’s what I said!

  15. “the viewers are still getting ripped off”
    we were getting ripped off in terms of entertainment. the writers were getting ripped off in terms of not being paid for the job they were doing. i really hope they got a fair deal and i still support them 100%. i am thankful that the season isn’t over and can’t wait to see however many episodes i can get.

  16. Six new episodes–hooray! I was afraid the season was over. I’m so looking forward to the return of this wonderful show, and especially the Dinner Party episode because Gene S. and Lee E. have written some of the funniest lines to have ever graced television.
    Here’s hoping the strike is officially called off tomorrow and everyone can go back to work and get their lives turned right side up again.

  17. Happiness and Joy have now returned to my life!!! Thursday’s have been pitiful…I hope this means an Office Convention in Scranton too!!!!! YAY!!!!

  18. How long will it be before the show is back? I’ve read April from an article from ABC.com but who knows…

    I don’t know if this question has been answered already, but I feel its nearly postworthy.

  19. So, once everyone resumes work on Wednesday, does that mean we can continue to watch episodes on NBC.com without guilt?

  20. 982: Laundry and Betrayal — That is such a great name (and such a great reference to such a great scene from such a great episode). I am laughing so hard about that.

    Personally, I want new Office episodes as soon as possible, even if there would be a couple episodes, a mini-hiatus and then a couple more. I do see your point of view, though.

  21. Also, the new banner made me smile very much! Tanster, thank you so much for keeping us abreast (twss) during this mournful season.

  22. The APTMPMPTPM (I forgot the actual abbreviation) should be required to invent a time machine so we can all go back and watch this season uninterrupted. I’m very excited we may get to see that fateful dinner at Michael’s…they couldn’t just scrap what has been described as the funniest episode of the season, could they?

    Plus, I have to wait until fall for Chuck? Bummer and a half.

  23. I’d rather wait and have all the new episodes uninterrupted until the season finale, instead of having them rush a few out in the next couple weeks.

  24. I had already said goodbye to this season, so to hear that I will see six new episodes is like having Christmas six months earlier! Thank you!

  25. Six more episodes!? I am totally fine with that. :D I know there are shows out there who just planned on ending the whole season, so I’m happy to see six more episodes this season.

    I’m just waiting for this strike to be officially over. I plan on writing a note on my Dunder Mifflin notepad, “STRIKE’S OVER. GET BACK TO WORK!” a la Dwight Schrute. ;)

  26. Wonderful news – 6 more episodes is definitely better than no new ones this season! I’m so excited – do we know how long until the first episode will be ready to air? As long as we get to see the hilarious Dinner Party episode everyone kept raving about, I’ll be happy for this season.

  27. Great TWSS, Tanster! I had to hit the button on my Michael Scott bobblehead for that one.

    I wonder if they can turn Angela’s pregancy into a TWSS festival for Michael, or at least some kind of awkward, unnecessary series of comments he makes to the office staff (probably in the conference room). He’s as discreet as a bull in a china shop….and my hero.

  28. Stephanie–

    The actors have probably signed on to do other projects (movies, etc) that they can’t back out on. Also, if we extended the viewing season, it would mess up next year. After all, our actors work hard and need a break. I’d hate to see the break come in the fall semester when TV is supposed to be on… I mean, yeah, we all want more Office, but I’d rather see a longer season 5 and a season 4 with only 6 more episodes (which equals like, 18, which is still a pretty good season) than miss some of season 5. we’ve missed enough already.

  29. cannot wait!

    i kinda see them handling angela’s pregnancy like this:

    everyone sees she’s clearly pregnant, but she denies that she’s pregnant. i really think that’s something angela would do…

  30. I can’t wait to see new Office episodes, even if there are only six more. But, I wonder why everyone just wouldn’t extend the tv viewing season. I doubt any of us sit around saying “Oh, it June, I don’t want to watch any more new episodes.”

  31. Re: #933 and 937–are there new episodes ready to air?

    From the New York Times 11/7/2007:
    Production on “The Office” was shut down on Tuesday, after the writers, several of whom are also actors on the show, began picketing and Steve Carell, the lead actor, refused to cross picket lines. Only two new episodes are ready for broadcast, so “The Office” will enter repeats after the Nov. 15 episode.

    I take that to mean that, no, there are no new episodes ready to air (which disappoints me because I am SO looking forward to a new episode, particularly Dinner Party!). But, this begs the question, how are they going to deal with Angela Kinsey’s pregnancy? I’m guessing Angela Martin will be spending a lot of time behind her desk and her cubicle partition.

    Whatever happens, I am just thrilled I’m getting my Office back soon!

  32. I can’t wait, this is such good news. I wonder how they are going to address Angela being several months pregnant now?

  33. Great news. Six episodes is plenty of time to at least round out the season and get the storylines to a reasonable stopping point and provide a wee bit of closure leading into season five. I’m excited. Plus, we might finally get to see Dinner Party!

  34. Ditto on the banner. Love the TWSS. Can’t wait for the show to start again. I’ve been in Office withdrawal.

  35. AAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
    *takes big breath*
    WAHOOOOOOOOOOO!

    this is good news! Very good news! I just hope its for real this time. =D

  36. HOORAY! I just want a few more episodes to wrap up the season. Here’s to a full fifth season of our favorite show! *raises up glass of apple juice*

  37. Such wonderful news! Finally – I cannot wait for the new episodes to start up again! I’m so glad they were able to get a deal in time to be able to get most shows back into production.

  38. welcome back, the office. indeed, there are no words tonight. however, now, its out of complete elation. set your alarm, greg daniels!

  39. Oh my god, I NEED The Office!

    YAY!!!

    I hope we can get some great episodes with whats left of the season…

  40. Congratz, Greg Daniels! This is SUCH great news!

    I wonder if they’ll still shoot Dinner Party. I know they’ve said they wanted to, but I remember Jenna Fischer saying that it set up a lot of storylines that would have continued through the season. They might have to re-write the episode since they don’t have half a season to play out the storylines.

  41. We did it!!!! We did it!!!!

    How did we do it? I don’t … have no idea. I don’t understand…

    Seriously, thank goodness it’s over (at least we’re mostly sure this time). And thanks to OT for getting us all through one of the darkest periods in American history. :)

  42. On Wednesday I am fully expecting the giant font topic saying “THE STRIKE IS OVER!”

    Love the new header. Positivity, people!

  43. Ahh, I love your TWSS on the front page :)

    I’m so excited to see things coming back around. It’s going to be nice to see new quotes on top. TWSS

    :)

  44. #933, I believe you heard wrong…or I have been misinformed for the last 3 months.

    I am pretty sure that they have episodes WRITTEN but still need to be filmed.

    Anyway, yeehaw!

  45. okay I am 95% sure the strike is over, but, like others, I’m saving all my celebration for a big-fonted OT announcement.

    hint hint, tanster :)

    [tanster: as soon as we get the official announcement that the strike is over … ]

  46. I heard on NPR that the strike was pretty much over, and that The Office will be back soon because it is a popular show and they already have filmed episodes that have not yet aired. :D Hooray!

  47. James Gunn updated his myspace status: James Gunn wants you all to know that, after the WGA meeting last night, the strike is basically over; we should all be back to work on Wednesday.

    Eek.

  48. If you believe that the writer’s strike will end soon, clap your hands. Claps your hands if you believe!

  49. Come on. 48 hours?! I can agree that every person in the world wants the strike to end. Just end it so we can get our Office back!

  50. Deadline Hollywood is reporting that the writers should be back to work by Tuesday or Wednesday! They said a writer who was attending the meetings said the writers were very positive about the contract and there were standing ovations for the leadership.

    The insider said this: “There is no question in my mind that because of the atmosphere in that room this strike will be called off. It’s over.”

    It seems too good to be true!!

  51. Congratulations writers. You did back down and now you shall be compensated judiciously for all of you work.
    And now (drumroll)…….
    Let the Jamness re-commence!

  52. So for us slow people let me just see if I understand this. If the meeting goes well tonight then the strike could be over?

  53. I skimmed the agreement and if I understand this correctly The Office writters could get over $6,000 for each episode that goes on the internet! Hopefuly the writers are Ok with that!

  54. Yay! I hope the writers get an awesome deal.
    Please make a HUGE bold headline when they make a deal.

  55. I think I’m as excited about the prospect of a big, bold headline on OT as I am about The Office coming back!

  56. Bold font would be nice! :) I really hope this is nearing the end! I miss my office buddies! To spend time on Thursday nights, I have taken up watching the British office! It’s pretty funny in an awkward way. I am proud to admit that the Freelove Freeway song has become one of my favorite songs EVER. It makes me laugh.
    OFFICE PLEASE COME BACK SOON!

  57. I’ve been anxiously waiting to come to this page and see in giant bold letters, “The strike is over!” I really hope it comes soon.

    Hey Tanster, can you give us giant font when the time comes? Pretty please?

  58. Actually, continue the strike. American Gladiators and Celebrity Apprentice are TV gems. 5 nights of Hulk Hogan and Donald Trump is TV gold. So what if I cry myself too sleep by watching that crap.

    Please come back Scranton, hurry.

  59. Having read the summary of the terms, I’m pretty satisfied. It looks like they’re getting a better deal than was ever offered before.

    I do have a question though. If writers get paid residuals for episodes they’ve written, and actors get paid residuals for episodes they’ve acted in… Does someone like, say, Mindy Kaling or BJ Novak get paid double residuals for acting/writing a single episode? And if so, why wouldn’t writers just put themselves in as a cameo of some sort?

  60. I woke up this morning hoping for an update like this…here’s hoping we can get everyone back to work again SOON!!!!

    Thanks for the update, tanster.

    Congrats, writers, on a deal you’re happy with!!

  61. Eisner was right, writers will probably be back to work on monday….

    “According to the Writers Guild of America website, the WGA and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television producers have ironed out the details of a tentative deal. The next step toward ending the writers’ strike: The Guild’s board will present the terms to its membership today, followed by an official vote to ratify the contract.”

    There is no way the WGA member will not vote for it. Too much has been lost. I hope their deal was worth it.

  62. My fingers are crossed!
    Samuel Chang–duh, it’s bacon lettuce and tomato. It means below the line–the crew members/people who work behind the scenes.

  63. I really hope the strike is over so I don’t have to read about the strike. I think writers are ready to get back to work and I am anxious to see new episodes of shows I really care about.

    Wouldn’t it be great to see a new episode of The Office sometime in March or early April? (Getting back up and rolling with the production will take some time, after all).

    Could someone explain to me what a BTLer is?

    Loving the Tally as always.

  64. bummer, it sounds like it’s close… I read at James Gunn MySpace blog last week that he thinks the writers will be back to work in two weeks. That sounds hopeful.

  65. I think it really is over. Check out this comment:

    Hi Nikki, I have enjoyed your website since November when this all began, thanks for all your hard work!! Unfortunately, it seems that Eisner is right on this matter. I was told that our writers will be returning to work this Sunday and that we have already been given the number of shows our network wants us to do to wrap up the season. It really makes me wonder just what an orchestrated, manipulative group is running this strike and why Eisner is the one to “break” this truth. From what I have been told this meeting Saturday night is just a “formality” and as Eisner said today the WGA strike really is over. As a BTLer I am truly shocked at how scripted this has all been. Also, as a BTLer our writers better come back to our show as happy as pigs in shit over this contract and I dare anyone of them to ever complain about this deal they will agree to on Saturday night in front of me, because God help them if they do. Again, thanks Nikki and unfortunately Eisner go to be the first to say the strike is over.

  66. A little bit of me dies inside when I read news about the WGA ending and it doesn’t happen…. I hope that this time, things pull through for our writers!

  67. Is deadline Hollywood a legitimate site? Does it have sources as good as Michael Eisner? I think Eisner was just trying to say that the strike is just about done with and that there is a good offer on the table and most likely the writers will take it. Obviously the strike is not completely over at this very minute. I don’t know what that site jumped all over him. Anyway, hopefully next week the strike will be offically over.

  68. The strike is the new Jim and Pam. “Will they or won’t they?” “Will they or won’t they?”

    In this case, Eisner is Roy. Now we just need some bad news from another front to play Karen.

  69. It’s over, it’s not, it’s over, it’s not…we’ve been hearing the same things this entire time! Still, though, I think we’re going to get some good news next week!

  70. positive thoughts people, positive thoughts!
    now how long ’till Michael’s dinner party is on?
    great news, I’m very happy for everybody that was suffering for not being able to work.

  71. GAH! Is the strike over then? That Michael Eisner better be telling the truth! Or is it still sort of in between. Hopefully the deal is fair and that the writers will get what they want!

  72. Hey Mr. Scott-O,
    I’m just guessing, but I would say that the cast, crew, writers, etc. would probably not work past their originally scheduled break just because they have likely signed contracts to work on other projects during that period. Of course, this includes movie deals, but might also include stage work or other things they’ve committed to long ago. Just a guess, though.

  73. so is there like a summer season they can start or are we only going to get 5 episodes??? sorry if i dont know much about this, but a little bit of the office is a lot better than none at all!!!

  74. Fingers crossed, toes crossed, eyes crossed. I’m in pain, but I’m willing to suffer to bring good luck to the process! Just read an interesting piece about the possible implications of writers returning to work soon. Purely speculation, of course (includes a funny Office reference as well).

  75. You have to bring the bargained terms of the contract to the union members so that they can agree to the terms. The union chooses a small group to represent them in negotiations, but that small group cannot make the final decision. The membership votes on the decision to accept contract terms based on the recommendation of the bargaining committee. With most unions, the vote generally goes the way of the bargaining committee’s recommendation, but sometimes the membership does not agree and votes differently.

  76. This is exciting. Yesterday morning one of my professors said she heard the strike was over…obviously not officially, but she passes by the picketers in the city everyday so that’s pretty exciting. And this semester I’m doing creative non-fiction work on the WGA so I’ll be happy to see this whole ordeal wrap up nicely for that…in addition to having my beloved show back on air, of course!

  77. [876]

    Even though I could watch season’s 1 through 3 over and over… I know what you mean.
    It’s all I do now haha.

    Good luck writers!!!

  78. its been too long. Watching seasons 1 through 3 on DVD can only last so much. Time for some PB and J

  79. Well, not only will I be turning 21 on Saturday, but the WGA strike could possibly make more progress on concluding! I will certainly take new episodes of The Office over being able to legally drink…

    … Hopefully, I won’t have to make such a choice *crosses fingers*

  80. We had to write haikus in my English class today and here is one of mine:

    I miss The Office.
    There are no new episodes.
    Please come back quickly.

  81. My fingers are crossed! Tanster, have any of the writers told you how long it might take to get things up and rolling again? I’ve read that other shows wouldn’t start production until the beginning of March. Does that sound right to you? Thanks for keeping us updated!

  82. Yay! But even if it ends early next week we still wouldn’t get an episode for around six weeks and we probably would only get like 4 more episodes for the season.

  83. I come to OfficeTally.com everyday with hopes of seeing that the strike has ended. I really appreciate the up-to-date news and links to all the latest buzz, and I cannot wait to see the glorious post that the strike is over.

  84. i should be happy, but i’m waiting to be happy till this is all over with. i miss the office!

  85. I’m trying not to get too excited because I don’t want to get my hopes up but I really hope they can talk and resolve it this time. I, along with many other people I’m sure, are “office” deprived! We want our PB&J and office humility back! Come on guys, lets strike a deal and get back to work!

  86. This makes me so happy! Finally a spark of hope. Wow-for months? It’s really been that long? We might as well start season 5!
    Btw, I just bought Office valentines! Yay!

  87. Thanks for the update Tanster; and I’m not trying to be a suck-up, but I just want to say you have simply been the best to us die hard Office fans during this awful time. Oh man I’m feeling optimistic–and that scares me. I really hope it’s not all for naught this time. I miss our wonderful show so much, and even more, my heart hurts over the horrible realities facing the crew that has been out of work for all these months. BTW– #852 I love your comment! I was so irritated and I thinking the exact same thing that day!

  88. :O
    i dont want to jinx anything but.. HALLELUJAH!

    maybe, if they reeeeeeally hop to it, and i mean pronto, they can make a valentines day episode!
    ha. high hopes.

    at any rate, this is good news.

  89. will it ever end. They are having meetings to discuss if they should have another meeting. For the love, please get on with it!

  90. A sad similarity:

    “We have responded favorably to the invitation from the AMPTP to enter into informal talks that will help establish a reasonable basis for returning to negotiations.”

    “Stanley’s dedication is no doubt one of the hallmarks of the foundation of the business we’re hoping to build our basis on.”

    Hey WGA and AMPTP, just get on with it already!

  91. Geez…. Tanster gets on the line for one day and we’re looking at new talks. lol Knew it would happen!

  92. Wow, the WGA just threw the reality and animation writers under the bus! I’ve known some of those writers and they want to be a part of the WGA. Now they never will be.

  93. I’m glad to hear there’s some movement towards negotiation. Anything is better than nothing at this point. Hopefully, negotiations well go much smoother than in December. I’m dying for new episodes, so this is the best news I’ve heard in a while.

  94. I am just waiting for the day when Officetally loads and in huge black letters I read “THE STRIKE IS OVER!!”

    Until then, I’m extremely depressed, though this does sound hopeful.

  95. #840: It means the WGA is going to withdraw two of their six “sticking points” to show they are serious about negotiating. However, neither reality TV nor animation was really the cause of the strike.

  96. “…we have decided to withdraw our proposals on reality and animation”.

    what does that mean?

  97. Ok I’m taking a deep breath, crossing my fingers and my toes. And I’m not even superstitious, but, I’m a little stitious. Good luck WGA!

  98. My fingers are crossed! I am so missing the Office! Everyone at work asks me – will there be a new episode this week??? And I have to say no, they’re on strike! Please write letters – support the writers…I can hardly wait until I can answer YES! I hope it’s soon!

  99. Jumbo Chalk–

    I don’t think you’re alone in wanting this season to continue, even until the summer. But, if you really think about it, extending it into the summer probably wouldn’t be in The Office’s best interest. It would mean that the writers, producers, actors, actresses etc., would all have to work into the summer. This would mean two things a) they wouldn’t have the summer break to work on any films, which would suck for them, and b) their break would be later in the year. This would most likely mean that it would throw off The Office’s production schedule, as the new episodes would air until say, July, and then they would cut off and not air again until probably January, thus creating a different type of schedule than other shows. Not to mention, at least here, it’s a lot easier to follow a show in the “school year” than in the summer, as there are vacations and people visiting and more activities going on in the summer. Chances are, you’d miss more than a few episodes.

    Just a few thoughts. :)

    -Grace

  100. Oh no. Staying optimistic through this strike has meant a lot of false hope, all resulting in disappointment so far. Please let this be for reals, AMPTP.

    Five episodes. Eesh.

  101. Well, I can live with five more episodes, i guess. I’m not complaining! At least the entire season won’t be wiped out.

    But it’d make my year if somehow, on some unreal stroke of kindness and flexible business, the season could be extended into the summer…

    dreaming big. :/

  102. The article is indeed complicated, but for our purposes, the important part is that the AMPTP has put a valuation on new media — that is, they’ve agreed that a dollar value can be assessed for internet content. That’s a big deal.

    These are the bullet points from United Hollywood:

    “Increases both wages and residual bases for each year of the contract.

    Establishes DGA jurisdiction over programs produced for distribution on the Internet.

    Establishes new residuals formula for paid Internet downloads (electronic sell-through) that essentially doubles the rate currently paid by employers.

    Establishes residual rates for ad-supported streaming and use of clips on the Internet.”

    Nothing on DVD residuals, but I don’t know if those are even still on the table in the WGA talks.

  103. Don’t feel stupid. It’s been really complicated. It’s a good sign that the AMPTP is the one who made the offer to go back to the table, since they’re the ones who walked away that fateful day in November. Also, I believe that the WGA feels that if the DGA can negotiate terms that are close to what they’re asking for, that it bodes well for them during the next round of negotiations.

  104. What does it mean? I feel so stupid I don’t understand! I need “The Office” back in my life so I can start to feel witty and intelligent again! haha

  105. I feel stupid, but I can’t process that article!!
    Anybody wanna give a 1-sentence summary? :D

  106. I’m so afraid to even get my hopes up that this will help. I can’t believe how much I miss that feeling of anticipation I used to have all day on Thursdays until the show came on, *sigh*.

  107. This has got to end. My life is empty and sad without The Office. It’s sad that a television show has influenced my life so much, but it has. And right now, every time I quote the show, I get sad… and that happens at least 20 times a day. Please, someone give me my show back.

  108. OH!! I really hope this is the beginning of the end of the strike. I don’t think I can handle much more. So if they settle now, will there be any hope of them completing S4?

  109. Everyday I come to OfficeTally and look in the top right hand corner hoping to read the title of a new episode but it doesn’t look like that’ll happen any time soon. With every thursday that passes I cry & moan, Dwight style.

  110. Well I never thought I’d say this but thank goodness “American Idol” is back. Not because I watch it, but because it will cream the rest of the networks schedules. When that shows hits its stride all other reality shows will suffer huge losses and with their suffering comes the networks suffering. And more cracks in the AMPTP resolve.

    Bring back “The Office” asap! Do it for Stanley!

  111. Just what I feared most–season 4 not being finished and just when things were moving along relationship-wise with Jim/Pam and Michael/Jan storylines.

    I so hate the things corporate greedy people choose to be!(Studio Exces)

    I am keeping the faith that the show will continue next season and I wish all the best for the entire cast and crew of the show. I know it has got to be even harder for them than it is for all of us die hard fans.

    Hang tough!

  112. I don’t think we need to worry about the contract cancellations affection The Office. From what I’ve been reading on other forums, the contracts being cancelled mainly affected shows still in production for the pilot season, as well as newer ones such as K-Ville and Journeyman that, let’s face it, weren’t doing well before the strike started and most likely won’t return after its over. They never garnered an audience that would stick with them through this. Essentially, the networks are using the strike as an excuse to clean house while they have a scapegoat to blame it on. Big shows, such as The Office, Ugly Betty, and Grey’s Anatomy, were not affected.

  113. Thank you for providing another link, Geo. I knew registration was free for the LA Times but I didn’t feel like going through all that. So thanks!

  114. Please make American Idol, Gladiators, and How to Deal stop. – In the word of Popeye: “I can’t stands it no more!”

    Whoever says that reality shows make good television, are sadly mistaken. Good television has gone to the dogs, because of greedy corporate America. “Internet promos” my butt. Internet television has been around for years.

    I miss The Office terribly. :(

  115. For those who didn’t want to register for the LA Times site, this AP article summarizes the LA Times article (no registration required):
    http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19199175&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46371&rfi=6

    It says four studios (including NBC) canceled “dozens” of writer contracts, and that studios have eliminated more than 65 deals with writers since Friday.

    TV really feels like a wasteland. Outside of sporting events and news, I just don’t watch anymore. While I’m rooting for the writers, this really is an endurance contest at this point. :(

  116. At least the writers don’t have to worry about what to do with Angela’s pregnancy now. Every cloud…

  117. It really is amazing how short-sighted the studios are with “new media” royalties.

    The argument is beyond ridiculous: they are making a sizable profit showing episodes on the web. Especially since the studios’ overhead for this is quite low – with the biggest expense going to data servers, storage, and IT staff.

    I cannot wait next season for American Idol vs the Gladiators (Fear Factor edition)

  118. Jenn — There’s more to it than that. While the studio pays the writers and maintains contracts with the writers, hiring and firing privileges remain with Greg Daniels, and the chance that he’ll approve the hiring of scab writers is slim to none. Moreover, any writer who took such a job would essentially be black-balled after the strike was over.

    I’ll say again that the most surprising thing about this is that the studios’ lawyers believe this is a proper use of the force majure clause.

  119. Goodbye Office. See you in 8 months….hopefully.

    I do hope the same staff of writers can be brought back. I don’t know how this usually works but I want the same magic back for season 5 if NBC decides to bring it back. Do they have the right not to?

  120. is there any way to know if the Office staff was affected by these canceled writers contracts? the article made it sound like NBC cancelled some of their underdog people and not the hitmakers? also, does this include the actors too? one of the actors said they’re on half time pay and still required to be available in case production resumed. maybe this has all changed now. it would be interesting to know. i hope jenna or someone will blog about it. or tanster…perhaps another exclusive interview?

  121. Sarah

    I think Worldwide Pants basically gave the guild what it wanted in terms of royalties or payments and so their writers can work.

    Don’t know about the other entities.

  122. My problem with the strike is that the WGA is NOT bargaining in good faith. They refused to bargain with the Hollywood Foreign Press and now it is shut down. But they will freely allow the Independent Spirit Awards. I think that is B.S. And now Worldwide Pants and United Artists? Something smells fishy!

  123. I often wondered who was more to be pitied: a multitude of writers bound and gagged by policeman, or one writer living in perfect freedom who has nothing more to say.

    ~~Kurt Vonnegut

  124. Jenn: they couldn’t possibly fire the writers of “The Office” and just get new ones, since Steve Carrell (Michael), Mindy Kaling (Kelly), BJ Novak (Ryan), and Paul Lieberstein (Toby) are all writers for the show. Also, would you really want all new writers??

  125. I was wondering…I just read in the paper that the writers have lost over $150 million due to the strike-more than they would have gained without the strike. At some point can the networks just let them all go and hire new writers? Certainly the networks are losing money to advertisers, but can’t they afford to hold out much longer than the writer’s union can?

  126. Lolu,

    I would point out that, without the “multi-conglomerate companies,” a lot of the writers would be the funniest cashiers at Dunkin Donuts or waitresses at Waffle House. It’s easy to blame the companies, and they have a lot of culpability, but the writers chose to strike…they’re not locked out.

  127. Without writers, there wouldn’t be fans. Without fans, these multi-conglomerate companies wouldn’t be making millions of dollars. Fight back all! Show them we have a voice. Without us, they wouldn’t exist.

    I say this, because I miss The Office terribly… :(

  128. I just read the article “GE to Cut Costs”. As a GE stockholder, I couldn’t be more annoyed. Do they really believe that the Olympics and the election are going to save them? I have no problem skipping the Olympics, especially with the lousy coverage NBC has become famous for. And who watches election news anyway? My guess would be the elderly demographic that watches the nightly news. I’m going to call my local NBC station and tell them I won’t be watching anything until the strike is settled.

  129. 777 – Gweenie. I’m assuming that the lack of new Office epsiodes was the result of a few things: 1. The Office, unlike 30 Rock and FNL, started earlier in the season, and therefore had burned through a few more episodes than other shows. 2. The production of the Office is more compact than dramas and even some other comedies, and has a quicker turn-around, from filming to the air. Thus, they started-later in the year in terms of production, and so when the strike hit, and the actors walked off in support of the writers, the filming shut down, affecting those episodes that were only about 3-4 weeks off. 3. The walk-off of the actors (most notably Carrell, caused filming to shut down, even though a number of scripts were finished. Some other shows kept (or are still) filming, b/c their actors didn’t walk, just the writers. Hence, they could finish shooting those finished scripts, and produce more shows.

  130. Not sure if anyone has said this, but I heard on the news somewhere (I think it was NPR) That they will most likely have to re-run shows until next season! Can you imagine the Emmys with 0-15 episode seasons? And I just realized, all the series that start in January won’t even start. I’m going to start sending letters every week or day if that’s what it takes to make Zucker realize what a bone-head he’s being.

  131. I was listening to the United Hollywood podcast earlier this afternoon, and they mentioned this site:
    http://firedoglake.com/wga
    Even though we’ve all sent our letters to our buddy Jeff already, if you select The Office under the drop down list and write another one, they will send it for you. And it looks like you can send as many as you want, for as many shows as you want. Might be good for venting some of this new frustration, since so much has happened since we wrote our original letters.

  132. “We don’t want to replace the dollars we were making in the analog world with pennies on the digital side,” (Jeff Zucker) said, according to Variety.

    Did anyone see this quote from Mr. Zucker??? Can you beleive it? I guess I can, but to think that he has the audacity to say that Apple is ripping NBC off because Apple is not willing to realize the value/profit/MONEY in the digital form of NBC’s shows. Well, Mr. Zucker, it’s funny that you should say that…who gave you such valuable content? THE WRITERS!

  133. Gwennie: When production collapsed on all shows during the beginning of the strike, programs like 30 Rock still had anywhere from 5-10 completed, unaired episodes to broadcast. The Office only had 2. Therefore, The Office’s slot is being filled with reruns sooner than other shows’ slots are.

  134. Reality TV won’t help studios that much. It doesn’t sell well on DVD. And we know DVD sales matter to studios or else they’d be more flexible on DVD residuals.

  135. Um, I don’t think I said the writers should make concessions. I don’t think I said that anybody should do anything. I don’t even think “should” is a useful word in this context.

    One can instead ask what the writers can do that would be in their own best interest. For that matter, what can the studios do that would be in their own best interest. I don’t know the answers to those questions, but I suspect insisting on a percentage of the distributor gross is not acting in the writers’ best interest.

    Beyond that I think it is a fact of life that the writers and the studios will both have to make concessions to get to a contract that they can both live with.

  136. #766

    Why do workers, whether auto workers or airline pilots or Hollywood writers, always have to be the ones to make the concessions? Corporate has all the power, keeps all the profits, and contributes nothing to the products we consumers need.

    The writers just want to get a fair share of the wealth that THEY produce. Why should they be the ones to cave?

    I want to see new ‘Office’ episodes (and ‘Daily Show’, and ‘Colbert Report’) as much as anyone. But, more than that, I want to see the WGA win a fair contract.

  137. What is wrong with the unions?! Did any of them ever learn that you have to give little to get a little? They were finally starting to make progress and then talks collapse because neither side will give in a little bit! I learned it K-1 that both sides have to give in so you can both get what you want. Please unions, start acting your age, come to an agreement, and give us our show back!

  138. I forgot to mention … Such as the 30’s and 40’s had Little Orphan Annie or The Clitheroe Kid, I’m fully prepared to resort to radio-classic programming. Nothing is stronger than the power of one’s imagination.

    — Maybe this is the beginning of a new era. —

  139. Dear Corporate Goonies –

    It’s disheartening to see what the world has come to – greed. As someone who barely gets by herself, I fully understand why the WGA is fighting. This is their cause. Their means; their living. The internet, quite obviously, is the wave of the future so stop feigning ignorance. Remember this. Without writers, you wouldn’t have your multi-million dollar houses in the Hollywood Hills, your Porsches, or your greedy, narcistic views of the world. The longer you wait, the worse it will get. The public isn’t going to tolerate much more. I know that I, personally, enjoy an episode of The Office after an excruciatingly long and stressful day at my own office. Sadly, it’s the one thing I look forward to in this now cruel and harsh world. So I say, pay them. Until you do, I will no longer view public programming, internet based or otherwise, for fear of filling your already overflowing pocketbooks and ego-maniacal dreams of ruling the world.

    Sincerely,
    L

  140. #758 : I did not intend for my remarks to mean I thought the writers did not care about the fans. I apologize if my remarks indicated otherwise. (I would dispute whether it is fair to say the continued strike means the networks don’t care about the fans, but that’s another topic.)

    What I meant is that I don’t think the writers caring about the fans means they need to make whatever concessions necessary to end the strike. That is, the writers’ first responsibility is to get an acceptable contract, and that it is unfair to say they *don’t* care about the fans just because they are striking. The strike isn’t about the fans.

    I haven’t had any contact with the writers of the Office, but I don’t think the recent convention in Scranton would have happened if they didn’t care. I can think of several television writers off the top of my head that clearly care very much about the fan community. I’m sure there are also writers who don’t care. It’s not a monolithic community.

  141. You have GOT to be kidding. Both sides need to grow up and get some stuff done. They’re not the only ones suffering here – there are MILLIONS of viewers who want their television back!

  142. For a while there the WGA was winning the PR war, but it sounds like to me now they’re asking way too much. Sometimes you can’t always get what you want.

  143. Want a hopeful thought? Here’s one.

    No contract with the WGA by mid-January means no Oscar ceremony. And that’s always such a huge promotional bonanza for the studios/networks that I really see them trying to save it.

  144. Look, I’ve been on the studio side, but I don’t know now. I keep thinking that they never intended to settle this and just did it as a PR move. I mean, they sent out their press release awfully quickly.

  145. Alright, I’m going to try to stay in the middle of this. It seems now that the strike is far worse than when it started. Also, it looks like now it’s a war of words in which both sides try to make the other look bad. From what I’m seeing, they’re STILL not handling this correctly. The WGA is demanding too much (I understand that they don’t want to be screwed again). And the AMPTP is basically saying “If you’re not going to play by our rules, we’re not playing at all.” (I understand why they’re doing that too. WGA, DGA, and SAG deals eventually add up.) I read their letter to the WGA. It sure sounded like an ultimatum.

    Goodbye 2007-08 TV season. Thanks for the memories.

  146. Man, I hate this. I was just getting myself psyched up that new episodes would be up and coming by February, but this… sucks.

    Robert, I happen to disagree with you a little. I don’t think that it’s true that the writers care just as much about the fans as the networks do. Maybe it’s because I live in a naive and optimistic world where I believe that the writers interact and care about the fans much more than the networks do. Look at how Mike and Jen reached out to the fans of officetally. Obviously, they care about the fans. I maybe can’t say the same for ALL WGA writers, but for the office, definitely. I sort of take offense that you would think that they don’t care about us, because I like to think that they do, and just because they want fair pay for ethical and moral reasons as well doesn’t mean you can say that they don’t care about the fans. They all want to get back to work as much as we want them to.

  147. #751,

    But most of the writers DON’T make that much money. Most writers aren’t lucky enough to be on a successful show like The Office. In the “Why We Fight” video, you can see how many of the writers are unemployed and rely on residuals during their time of unemployment. My uncle’s part of the lower end of writers who definitely aren’t making a lot of money.

    Bottom line, the writers deserve this. Everything they’re fighting for is going to mean a lot in the long run. I don’t see how people think money off of the internet is a big deal. That’s where it’s all moving.

  148. #753 – Angela, Mindy, and the other writers shouldn’t share in NBC’s profits because they don’t work for NBC. They work for (I believe) Universal. I don’t know how Universal was compensated for the webisodes, but is it really reasonable for the writers to expect to be compensated more than the studio they work for is?

  149. #751-
    It doesn’t matter if they already make more than us. Huge amounts of money is being generated DIRECTLY through their work, and most of it’s going to people far, far, richer, and far, far less integral than them.
    This has nothing to do with raw amounts of money, it has to with fair share.

  150. #748

    What are the WGA’s motives? Well, how about this? The Suits receive revenue from New Media content produced by the writers, and the writers would like to share in it a little bit, please.

    Have you watched the specially produced ‘Office’ webisodes streamed on NBC.com? I have. And every time I watched them NBC made profits. Why shouldn’t Angela, Mindy and the other writers who created those shows – and thus created those profits – get a piece of the pie?

  151. I don’t know. It looks like the WGA negotiators might not want to end the strike. Maybe they are having too much fun partying with the Scrantones.

  152. AMPTP walked away from the table today, so this strike is going to take longer. It’s going to take a while for them to hurt financially. In the next few months when their stock prices fall and their profits plummet they’ll be forced to negotiate. How long do they really think they can do without scripted content?

  153. The AMPTP won’t say it, but they’re negotiating right now for the future too. In the spring, it’s the DGA and SAG’s turn. So my thought is that the AMPTP will strike a deal with the DGA pretty quickly. I mean, when there’s someone as powerful as Spielberg on the DGA, talks don’t last long. Then the DGA’s deal will be the basis for the WGA and SAG. That means the WGA’s deal will be worse. The AMPTP is protecting themselves right now. Eventually, all those deals add up and they have to hand out more money. So that’s their strategy, even though they’re saying that they want to end this quickly.

    Now give me a minute to figure out the WGA motives.

  154. hi Robert, you’re right in that part of the reason why the AMPTP is fighting so hard is because any deal agreed upon with the WGA would also apply to the DGA and the SAG as well. However, I think the profit margin the studios are getting from DVDs is likely to be more than what you estimated. Attorney Jonathan Handel wrote an excellent primer on the issue of residuals rate and the true numbers likely to be involved (link here). In it, he estimated the profit a studio makes on a $12.50 DVD is about $7.50, after factoring in manufacturing, marketing and distribution costs of the DVD.

    I highly recommend reading the primer, which is well-researched and really spells out what’s at stake for both sides. Bottomline: Is the WGA’s request as simple as a $0.04 increase per DVD? No. However, can the studios afford what the WGA is asking? Most definitely.

  155. Having no new episodes sucks but it’s really not that bad. I’ve kept myself busy by writing an essay about the strike and I even got an A on it!

    I still miss the office though, no doubt. Thank goodness we still have Officetally :)

  156. I just want to say a big “Thanks” to you, Tanster for your strike coverage. I come here every day to see what the latest is, and decide if there’s hope of seeing our favorite show again soon. The latest news is discouraging, but we can come here and hang out together til the strike is over.
    Oh, and I’m not watching any of that reality crap they’re putting on instead. Long live Dunder Mifflin!

  157. Robert:

    Maybe not now, but certainly in the future there will be. The internet is going to be huge, bigger then it is now, and this is why they are fighting.

  158. #737: Well, just because I think the strike is about money doesn’t mean I think the writers are wrong. I don’t think it is the writer’s responsibility to care about the fans, anymore than it is the producers’. I do suspect there is not as much money in internet downloads and DVD sales as the WGA claims, especially when you consider that whatever the studios agree to for the writers they will have to agree to for the directors and cast.

    Consider a television DVD series set that sells for $40 and has 24 episodes. That comes to $1.67 per episode. Much of that ends up going into the production and distribution chain. Maybe 30 cents goes to the studio. What is a fair way to divide that money? I’m not sure that question even makes sense.

    Basically, the strike will end when one side decides the strike is costing them more than ending the strike would.

  159. I am to the point to where new offices don’t excite me all that much anymore. Last night was Thursday and I didn’t miss anything. Good work writers!

  160. #737: “The bottom line is that their desire for money outweighs their desire to bring the fans new stories, and if any writer DARES to cross the picket line (perhaps because s/he feels a commitment to the fans) you can bet it will the last show for which s/he writes.”

    The bottom line is that the writers belong to a guild and have agreed to abide by the guild’s decisions in exchange for better compensation and benefits than they would get by themselves. That’s how a union works. Just because the writers are committed to a strong union doesn’t mean they don’t also care about fans.

  161. I had a dream last night that the darn strike was over and I was running around like a crazy woman telling my husband “New Offices are coming! New Offices are coming!” I was sorely disappointed when I woke up. :-(

  162. I think its a little bit telling that those same below the line people that can’t make the rent are also very much on the side of the writers from what I’ve seen so far.

  163. Robert,

    You nailed the whole issue of the strike. The networks want to save money. The writers want more money. That’s it. You can read all of the moral issues into that you want, and the writers will always be more skilled at pulling heart strings. The bottom line is that their desire for money outweighs their desire to bring the fans new stories, and if any writer DARES to cross the picket line (perhaps because s/he feels a commitment to the fans) you can bet it will the last show for which s/he writes.

    You can say the same about the networks, but somehow they are the bad guys.

    Folks, the writers don’t care about us any more than the networks do.

  164. #731: I totally agree. I’m getting annoyed at people who are acting like it’s completely the writers’ fault that crew members are out of work, as if the AMPTP is not JUST as capable of ending the strike as the writers are. It’s fine if you’re angry at the writers for putting crew members out of work – but remember that the studios are equally responsible.

  165. #729, exactly. This strike isn’t about fairness or good and evil, it’s about compensation. It’s about money. The WGA wants more money than the AMPTP is currently willing to give them. That’s it.

  166. TobyFan, I know it isn’t the writers who caused the strike, I was just expressing sympathy for the people who work below the line who don’t earn as much as the talent does who are suffering because of this strike. I did say greedy media corporations, which I thought got my point across.

  167. The Office is important to me; if it were unimportant I probably wouldn’t post on a fan site. The Office is the most brilliant show I have ever watched and its absence in the summer coupled with my hatred of baseball makes me miserable. Don’t make my winter miserable too. Please, Office, (I am pointing a finger at you network, executives)come back soon.

  168. Couldn’t agree with you more, #731. If they stopped the strike now then it would all have been for nothing. It’s not the writers’ fault that crew-members are losing their job. If the writers called off the strike because of the crew-members, what kind of message would that send to the studios? “If you’re unreasonable long enough, we’ll cave.” Remember, the writers also fight for writers in the future, not just themselves.

  169. Why does everyone think it is up to the writers to look after below-the-line workers rather than the studios who employ them? The studios could have addressed the issues they are now finally willing to discuss at any point during the three-month negotiating period leading up to the strike. They refused even to respond to the writers’ last offer prior to the strike. The studios caused this strike, in my opinion. Any job losses lay at their feet.

  170. I don’t even want to read articles about the strike anymore. Frankly, I’m kind of sick of hearing about it now. I love The Office to death, and I just want it to come back. Anyone else feel the same?

  171. #725: I agree with you to a point; I too am more or less ambivalent about the absence of The Office at this point. My life goes on. To be honest, while I think TO is one of the greatest and funniest shows ever to grace the TV screen, it’s still a very, very tiny and unimportant part of my life. If it never came on the air again, I’d be OK with it.

    I had been in the writers’ corner up until I started reading about crew members who can’t even make rent with the strike on; now I’ve just about lost my patience with them. I wouldn’t say they don’t care at all, but they had to have known what the effects of a long-term strike would be on the crew.

    I’m also tired of the writer’s rhetoric. Look at the video titles: “This is Our Moment”, “Why We Fight”. They’re overdramatic and make the writers look silly. This isn’t a matter of life and death or even good vs. evil. (The title “Why We Fight” particularly irks me, but that’s a whole other discussion.)

  172. I hope they get this thing resolved so that all the below the line people, the crews who are really suffering, the day player actors can get back to work. Greedy media corporations

  173. What’s the bottom line? You won’t find it reading Nikki Finke’s columns. They seem to be filled with emotionalism and good versus evil rhetoric.

    My sense is that if there is progress in the negotiations we won’t hear about it. Considering that the WGA’s latest demand is jurisdiction over reality TV, something the AMPTP would have to be crazy to agree to, I don’t think the strike is going to end anytime soon.

    I suspect neither side wants it to end yet.

  174. I’m slowly starting to get used to the Office not being on. Keep it up and some folks won’t be interested anymore. I kind of lost my respect for the strike when I saw hundreds of unrelated people losing their jobs… and the writers obviously couldn’t care less.

  175. If the show cranks up in January sometime — assuming a new deal is imminent — I wonder how it will affect the story arc? Might they have to treat the next new episode like they do the first episode after summer? That is, will they place the characters in the here and now and offer a little bit of back story about what happened in between? Or will it start off with a Michael-Jan dinner party as if the work stoppage never interrupted the season?

  176. While we’re waiting, this is worth a read. Marc Andreessen, one of the founders of Netscape, wrote this in his blog on November 4.

    Link

  177. needmoreoffice:

    I couldn’t agree more with you! At this point I feel like we are in a Charlie Brown cartoon, the teacher is talking, but I have no clue as to what is being said. For the love, just tell us if things are looking good or bad!!

  178. Am I the only one who is having trouble deciphering what is going on? With all due respect, I feel like Nikki Finke is writing in a foreign language. Could someone please just explain what the bottom line is at this point? Are they getting any closer to settling or will this drag on and on like the last strike did in 1988?

  179. How come no news from yesterdays talks!? Come on people, let’s go here. I want my show back. :(

  180. #714 … someone’s been reading their Shakespeare. ;]
    I am completely lost when it comes to the standings between the WGA and the media studios. Anyone care to briefly sum up what the deal is as of now? Thanks.

  181. So when the strike is resolved, how much time would we have to wait for new episodes. I know there is a cutoff point of when we’d have to wait until next spring or even winter, but say it’s resolved in the coming weeks, how many weeks would we have to wait to get new episodes?

  182. In reponse to what’s an average writer make I found this blog that breaks down the average versus the more reliable median wage of a WGA writer. It looks like they’re saying it’s somewhere closer to $5,000 a year so (since I’m not super great with this stuff) I don’t know if this is helpful or not, but I thought I’d bring it up :)

    Link

  183. 711 – You are probably correct – so let’s just say that 500 of the 10,500 WGA members make $1 million/year. That still leaves an AVERAGE salary of over $100,000 for all the rest. And they are striking for 3% more and causing those who make far less suffer even more. That smacks of selfish greed. There is no doubt the corporate bigwigs are greedy as well – undoubtedly – but the big guys in US corporations are always way overpaid. That’s life in America and it is not restricted to just Hollywood. It’s not right, but we don’t live in a socialist country, do we?

    Everyone is entitled to just wages for their work and everyone should be entitled to freely and independently negotiate those wages. Workers striking enmasse at the expense of so many other people so they can live just a little more comfortably is just wrong in my book.

  184. When you say an average of $158000, aren’t there are a few writers who make millions which totally skews the average off kilter for the average writer who, if he is lucky enough to be working consistently, brings in an average salary? And even so, it certainly is a lot less than the network execs who make millions in (often unearned) bonuses upon millions of dollars in salary.

  185. Wait, exactly how much do the writers get paid? In 696’s (Janet), it says they make $158,000 a year or something. I think I’m just reading that wrong. But if not, why exactly are they striking? I mean I know WHY, and I want them to get what they deserve, but that’s a lot of money. I thought they only made like $60,000 a year. Not only that, but they are putting people who work very hard and do not get very much money out of work. I could understand if THEY were going on strike, but not the people who make more than what most of the world makes in like, 5 years.

  186. we’re not going to see a new office episode for a long time thanks to those greedy jerks in hollywood.

  187. 703,

    How can you question the love they have for their fans? If anything, they’re one of the few shows out there that truly appreciate what fans have done for them. I mean, I hate the strike, but I know how much they love their viewers. They’ve done nothing to change my view.

  188. Tracy and ES:
    Here’s the way to handle it. If you’ve written your letters, contributed to the OFCF, sent some pencils, and basically done what you can do, then you can stop worrying about it. It’s out of our hands, at least until tanster says, “Here’s what we can do to help.” Keep in mind that the two sides are going to give their opinions of how the negotiations are going, and we don’t know the truth. Enjoy your graduation, congratulations, at some point this will be resolved and we’ll all be happy again.

  189. The real losers of this strike are the fans. We all love this show so much. We love the actors, the characters and the writers, but I’m beginning to think they don’t feel the same way!

  190. I keep telling myself that this writers strike is going to be good for me. For instance, last night everything was in re-runs and I read a book (gasp!). I have a vision that this will help me give up tv for good (except for the Office, of course). It would be my way of “sticking it to the man”. Now, I only have to convince the rest of America to do it too!

  191. I’m with ES. I’m too busy to keep up with it- I graduate from college in a couple of weeks. Is it going well or not well?!

  192. I’m so confused, what’s going on now? Perhaps for the “mentally inept” fans like me, someone should make a colorful chart that shows if things are going good : )
    or things are going bad : ( It would really help, please…

  193. Yeah, Janet, it’s pretty sad. The writers are striking so they can make an average of $162,000 instead of $158,000 and meanwhile crew guys like Dan Beals are just hoping that their unemployment checks will come in time to pay rent.

    And we’re supporting the writers here? Hmm…

  194. According to this Reuters article, the writers are seeking a 3% annual increase in pay, to the tune of ~$50 million/year. If that is correct, they are effectively saying they are paid $1.67 billion/year currently (the producers in the article say they are paid $1.3 billion/year). The article also states there are 10,500 WGA members on strike, which makes their average salary either $158,000 (according to the writers) or $124,000 (according to the producers). When this started, wasn’t there some $60,000 average salary number floating around? I suspect one of these new averages is far closer to reality than that $60,000 amount that was put out there.

    Link

  195. No way do I support the writers or their strike, but the new ‘groundbreaking’ deal doesn’t make sense to me. The math is throwing me off. Rollbacks to make more money? Somewhere, a math teacher just had a heart attack.

  196. I feel like I’m watching the tv screen, waiting for the DVD box to hit exactly in the corner…SO CLOSE.

  197. So, maybe I missed this somewhere, but is there an absolute deadline of when it would be “impossible” to finish filming at least part of the season? I heard a deal needed to be made by like, December 10th. Do you guys know anything about this? It just hit me the other day what it meant to not have The Office back till the fall…I…can’t….handle….it!

  198. Yes. Awesome. This looks at least like a step in the right direction, seeing as their new proposal specifically increases revenues for the writers in the new media areas.
    I feel like a kid who’s had his christmas presents taken away, and now they might be returned.

  199. that’s great news!! a little disappointed that it didn’t get resolved this week, but then again there’s no rushing these kinds of things.

    looks like we might not have to wait until 2009 after all..
    but then again, i don’t want to be the one to speak too soon!

  200. Save Scranton. Did you know if the strike doesn’t get solved until spring, we might be waiting on a winter 2009 start of season 5? Insane.

  201. From Financial Times:

    Networks set for $120m from web ads
    By Matthew Garrahan in Los Angeles

    Published: November 29 2007 01:58 | Last updated: November 29 2007 01:58

    The four US television networks in a pay dispute with Hollywood television writers over online video advertising are in line to generate $120m of revenues in 2007 from free web streaming of their content, according to a leading media buyer.

    The networks have been reluctant to acknowledge the size of their streaming businesses, partly because online video advertising has become a sticking point in pay negotiations with the writers, who have been on strike for almost a month.

  202. gosh darn it! I just want this to end. We waited all summer for what 6 episodes and now we have to wait even longer.

  203. I hope the guy negotiators for the AMPTP wear lady clothes to the talks by mistake so this impasse can be resolved quickly.

    [from tanster: that is the funniest thing i’ve heard all day.]

  204. Well this is the most depressing news for our non-Office Thursday. :(

    This is going to be a long winter. I’m so sad. This is worst than the summer.

    I miss this show so much.

  205. Great job at saying my favorite response, “Hey!”. Way to act!. lol. That sequence was my favorite part of that episode and hearing that it helped put a roof over your head, Dave, just makes that moment even more magical. Good luck with unemployment and congrats on your acting debut. hehe.

  206. Oh, and — so far as I can tell, JKras has never made a public statement about anything political (or, really, anything controversial at all) ever. The closest I think I’ve ever seen him come was by wearing an autism awareness pin to an event.

    And, yes — John wrote the screenplay for Brief Interviews with Hideous Men, which he adapted from David Foster Wallace’s book of the same name. He is not, however, a member of the WGA because he has never been “employed” as a writer — the BIWHM project is entrepreneurial.

  207. The unemployment bit is hilarious. I work for a judge who was working on the Hill in 1994 when Congress changed hands and he was fired. The Washington Post interviewed him about it and he, a very smart lawyer, was mystified. One of the questions is “Are you physically able to work?” He wondered what exactly that means — “Like, a paper route?”

  208. I say lock them in there until they work it out!!

    As a wise man once said, if cage matches didn’t work, everybody would still be in the cage.

  209. 666 – Jon didn’t write “Brief Interviews With Hideous Men.” David Foster Wallace wrote it. But Jon may have adapted it.

  210. I had a thought last night (I know… amazing in itself.)

    anyways… when the strike is over do you think there’s a chance they will pick up where they left off …. meaning a christmas episode…. if only meant for the dvd/fans? I mean if they come back after christmas….

    anyways I felt they might do something like that but I wasn’t sure……

  211. I’m sure all of the cast support their writers. Maybe I’m just blinded because I love the idea of the cast and crew being totally in love with each other and are one huge family, but for serious, I can bet you anything that John Krasinski does support them because everyone working on the show (especially the writers) are such a huge part of what makes The Office what it is. How could they not be supportive?

  212. belin- I don’t know. I know he wrote Brief Interviews With Hideous Men, so I’m guessing yes. Although I’m not certain. Helpful?

    -xoxo, Katie Valinem Halpert [KVH]

  213. Does anybody know whether Krasinski supports the strike? I don’t remember seeing anything definite about that.

  214. i don’t know if this is of any help, but here’s a link about how things look from the meeting yesterday:

    not as optimistic as the other article, but still hopeful.

  215. I am so happy this is going well. And 712 – haha I totally agree. I’ve made OT my homepage since the strike started because it keeps me so updated! Thanks, Tanster :-)

  216. Hmm… how long, maybe, til the strike’s office-ially over? [don’t mind my bad joke].

    How long til it’s back on TV [not reruns, silly]

    Someone who is more informed than I can please answer. That is not a question, it’s a statement. Prove yourself.

  217. God willing, the talks today and tomorrow go well, though- need my Jim!

    Any further word on a Christmas/New Years episode yet?

  218. I’m confident that this strike will be over by next week. One month is enough. I support the WGA; however, I have to echo a sentiment I read in the NY Times by a current WGA writer: “Is this a strike or a social event?” Time to get back to work. Come on AMPTP – lets get it done. There are people who have lost their jobs. Lets get them back on set. They want to live inside, not outside – maybe send a kid or two to college. And we fans want our Office back. (And Jon Stewart, and Conan, and 30 Rock too.)

  219. More good news! Hopefully it stays that way. Will there be a news black-out until it’s resolved? I’m a little confused on that point. Fingers crossed that things go well today!

  220. :D :D :D

    okay, you know you’re obsessed when the first thing you do in the morning is update yourself on the writer’s strike…
    anyway, this is great news!!!!! I’m very hopeful.

  221. I am trying very hard to keep optimistic! I have exams starting next week, and even though there won’t be any new Office for me then, I’m hoping there will at least be an end to the strike and writer’s getting paid fairly and The Office being put back into production. It would be the best early Christmas present ever!

  222. Deadline hollywood has a new post up about the talks today…it sounds promising so far but it sounds like we will know more by the end of the day Wednesday. *Fingers crossed*

  223. The AP is moving that a source has told them the talks today were unsuccessful, but they are going to sit down again tomorrow.

    COME ON! I need my Office back!!!

  224. “The Office is coming back. The Office is coming back” That is what I have been repeating in my head the whole day and maybe if I keep that going for the next week, the universe will cut us all a break. I refuse to be saying “Congratulations, universe. You win.” by next Monday.
    Another thought; what if all those weeks of reruns they have shown in previous seasons had been replaced. You remember that big break there was between Cocktails and The Negotiation, maybe we could just erase that

  225. okay, im too lazy to go back and see who suggested the new year’s episode (I just read about it in #699), but THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!! Jim and Pam on new year’s eve?! Ohhh boy (: that’d be too sweet!

  226. Part of me is like “Don’t get excited.”

    The other part is like “I won’t. I won’t. I won’t I won’t I won’t I won’t I WON’T I WON’T!!!”

  227. Oh my goodness I’m so excited! I really hope the strike will end before Jan. 3, the day that stupid Celebrity Aprentice starts (that show looks so stupid). As if we didn’t need more of “The Donald”.

  228. BEST news we could possibly hope for… and so soon!
    They better not be giving me false hope of not having this skin cancer done with (I’ve taken to nibbling on my own skin at 9:00 on Thursday evenings).

    Crossing my fingers.

  229. Sorry for the double post, but I just found out about this on unitedhollywood.com:
    There is a phone call blitz happening tonight, Monday, November 26. You can call up Jeff Zucker’s office and leave a message in support of the writers. All of the details can be found here

    Make your voice heard and let them know how upset we are that “The Office” is the first casualty of the scripted primetime shows!

  230. #681
    I completely forgot about the 30 episodes that we were supposed to get this season! At least I remembered now, when the strike is (hopefully) close to being resolved.
    I really, really hope that negotiations are going as well as this source has been informed it is. The one thing that caught my eye, though, was that the person said that it could be done by Christmas…oh well, I guess a late resolution is better than no resolution at all. Good luck, writers!

  231. oh my gosh
    YES!!!
    I’m gonna try not to get ahead of myself… but I sure as heck hope its true!

    and #687- I’m with you, it could happen!

  232. Well… here’s to hoping that article is right. I do have a suggestion if they don’t get in a Christmas episode – New Year’s episode. There’s a lot of potential in that as well.

  233. yeah 688, I like the new banner too…in a “it’s-extremely-suiting-to-the-current-situation-and-shows-offictally’s-support-quite-nicely” kind of way
    but obviously, I would rather there not be a strike

  234. Oh man!!!!
    My fingers, toes and everything else that can be crossed are crossed! :)
    It’ll be an amazing day when this strike ends, hopefully it comes sooner, rather than later!

  235. I want my Office back Office back Office back

    I want my Office back Office back Office back

    I want my… Dwight Schrute… Michael and Jim…

    Haha, like Michael singing the Chili’s song in “The Client”? I just made that up.

  236. Ohhh #687 Andrew, your optimism is cute.

    P.S. Tanster your new banner is awesome and but also tears out my heart.

  237. If a deal is struck TODAY, they could be back to work next week on December 3. Be done filming Dinner Party by December 7. Film Christmas Dec. 10, be done by Dec. 14. Edit it like crazy and air it by Dec. 27???

    I’d take one two days late… :-)

  238. This is great news! I only hope that there’s some truth to it. Fingers crossed that the studios came to their senses and are giving the writers what they deserve! And I agree with everyone who mentioned the possibility of a Christmas episode- It would be amazing, even if it aired in May! lol

  239. Re 681:

    I agree. The first thing I thought of when I heard about the strike was, “Great, the season we get 30 episodes is the season where they strike and we won’t actually get them.” I doubt they will do all 30 episodes, because they would have to work well into the summer, and have a very abbreviated break before having to come back do season 5.

    But who really cares? The strike is possibly over! I want ANY episodes (especially a Christmas one, even in March).

  240. I honestly don’t mind watching a Christmas episode in March…it hurts, but it’s much better than no Christmas episode at all. And hey, as long as I get my 30 episodes as promised, I will be happy. I’d enjoy watching new episodes well into summer. But…

    …this strike isn’t about me. Let’s all keep supporting our favorite writers!

  241. It is still absolutely killing me that we won’t get a Christmas episode this year…***runs crying from the room***

  242. My fingers are crossed as well. I hope Deadline Hollywood Daily’s report from this morning comes true and we’ll have our new Office episodes (and other shows) back soon after New Year’s!

  243. I am not watching NBC until the strike gets settled. I don’t care if it has no effect, I will not fill my brain with the useless garbage of watching washed-up, so-called “celebrities” fighting to kiss Trump’s ass.

  244. “I’m glad they’re replacing The Office with Celebrity Apprentice. It would suck if they replaced it with a really good show; higher ratings means less pressure on the networks to bring WGA shows back.”

    But Celebrity Apprentice will get much higher ratings than The Office did.

  245. Jeff Zucker, President and CEO
    NBC Universal
    3000 W. Alameda Ave.
    Burbank, CA. 91523

    He is going to get a long letter from me, and hopefully other office, scrubs, and other NBC show fans!!

  246. I’m glad they’re replacing The Office with Celebrity Apprentice. It would suck if they replaced it with a really good show; higher ratings means less pressure on the networks to bring WGA shows back.

  247. Celebrity Apprentice?????? this will be my last post because I am going out and buy a gun to blow my brains out!

  248. And Semi-Sweet, thank you… genius might be a bit much, but I’ll take it. And of course you can send in one you don’t use. I only have one remote, so I can’t really send that.

  249. Yes! I was hoping the remotes in jello (or not in jello) would be an okay idea. How many people can we get in on this action?

  250. I just saw a preview for the Celebrity Apprentice. And that is the last time I will watch NBC untill the office comes back.
    I would rather stick a letter opener in my skull than watch that.

  251. Still hoping for good news….I think there should be a food day episode where everyone brings in one dish. I think it would be funny to see what everyone would bring.

  252. We could send the remotes in Jello… well not Jello but silicon. I remember John the prop guy having a recipe on his blog somewhere. I’m just having a little trouble finding it. Help please?

  253. I think if we did the remote control idea, (see #622)probably minus the jell-o, I think we could have an impact. We’d have to do it together, all at once though. Like the fans that saved their show by sending in peanuts. Jericho? Either way, I like this idea. Officetally has a HUGE audience of daily visiters…it can be done.

    And although #623 is right, NBC isn’t soley to blame, this is our favorite show…and gosh darn it, I think they’re worth it.

  254. The Office Fans Christmas Fund is for the crew members. From the OFCF site:

    On Saturday, November 10, the 102 members of the “Office” production crew were laid-off WITHOUT SEVERANCE. That’s 102 hard-working people who have lost their jobs as the WGA (rightfully) fights for a fair deal.

    Crew members are arguably the most under-paid and under-appreciated people in the film and television business. They were not protected because their union is not on strike. As Kent Zbornak, co-executive producer, told me, “I had one crew member tell me that he needed to tell his children this weekend that Christmas was going to be tough and they may not get any presents this year.”

    As “Office” fans, I say we help them out! The crew have given us amazing Christmas episodes, so it’s our turn to brighten their holidays.

  255. Darnit, with all this lack of Office news and this horrible hiatus, I’m now forced to actually do “work” at my job. :)

    This is so depressing. Thank god tomorrow is a holiday or this first Thursday with no Office would just be even more depressing. I’m drowning my sorrows in turkey and pie.

  256. It’s like Friends. I’m uh..Chandler and Joey and Pam is Rachel. And Dwight is..Kramer. God! What happened to NBC. I mean seriously. Man they’ve got like nothing..

    Right you are Michael Scott, right you are…Celebrity Apprentice is more dull than Kevin…way more.

  257. “NBC, Are you trying to have people not watch your network? If so, job well done!!!!”

    Actually, Celebrity Apprentice will get more viewers than The Office. Like #639 said, reality shows have been getting much, much higher ratings than The Office. Who knows, NBC must just realize that they can get better ratings with cheaper shows. I think the writers may be striking themselves out of a job.

  258. I just read on another web site that the average WGA member makes $200,000 per year. Can that be true? Is that who they are taking up a Christmas collection for?

  259. I think the writers have done a good job justifying their position and I take their side for the most part, but until now, there were still new episodes to watch and the strike didn’t really affect me. Now, my favorite show ever is officially on hiatus, and I feel so disappointed. I just want my show back, but what if it never returns? … This is the worst.

  260. #625, you are a genius. Will you forgive me if I do that with an old remote I don’t actually use?

  261. Donald Trump in place of Michael Scott, as Michael would say, This is egregious. I hope both sides are able to work out an agreement so the thousands of people whose jobs hang in the balance can get back to work.

  262. Celebrity Apprentice to replace Scrubs and The Office. HAHAHAHAHA….oh that is the funniest thing I have heard.

    I can’t believe they would actually put this on the air.

  263. 624 has a point. The Office has yet to even break 10 million viewers, and Survivor and Dancing With the Stars are pulling one-and-a-half times (and sometimes twice that) each week, and that is when American Idol is not on, grabbing 25 million two to three nights a week.

    Let’s face it: The Office isn’t even a top 20 show. NBC isn’t taking that big of risk by replacing it with a reality show that just might score.

    (Of course, all of this is very, very depressing…)

  264. NBC, thank you for giving me an excuse to watch the movies I already own over and over and over again. In case that wasn’t clear enough- I will NOT be watching Celebrity Apprentice.

  265. There is no way I will be watching that. It wouldn’t be fair. Not to the good fans, not to me, and especially not to the writers. Let’s not forget who this whole striking business is about, anyway. If I could leave you with one thought, remember… it wasn’t me. They’re trying to make me an escape goat. If I am subjected to celebrity apprentice, I swear to God, that every single piece of new media in this town is going to have the F-word on it. The F-word. You have one day.

  266. Yikes! Well… that’s one less thing I have to program on the DVR. I could use the space for other shows like… MythBusters. Get ‘er down. hehe. Thanks for the update.

  267. Wow, celebrity apprentice… television has reached an all time low without the writers. BRING THE WRITERS BACK!

  268. Really, NBC? Putting a spotlight on “celebrity” has-beens? Taking a note from Dwight, won’t that shed MORE light on how out-of-date they are? I do have to commend them on thinking of this, NO other show has included “celebrities” before as a twist, this is completely original and an amazing idea.

    [/bitter from lack of good television]

  269. It’s weird, it just sort of hit me how long it’ll be until we’ll see some Office again.

    “Celebrity Apprentice…” are you kidding me, NBC? I was expecting crap reality, but, wow. I guess that’s more reason not to watch TV. Yay.

  270. Thanks NBC! You made my decision so much easier concerning my Thursday nights. I won’t be watching your network.

  271. To not have our show for a while is one thing.
    To not air our beloved Christmas show is another,
    But when you replace with the worst idea in TV history; all I have to say is…
    NBC you have a riot on your hands, and it starts now.

  272. Wait… I really like the idea of sending remotes in Jello. You can buy a remote at Big Lots for like 2 dollars. Send it with a lovely little note that says “If I can’t watch The Office, I won’t watch anything. Enjoy the Jello.”

  273. We need to do something. I’m starting to feel like it’s the olden days and I need to take up arms to defend honor and dignity. What do we do? Boycott? Picket? Write more letters? Send remote controls encased in Jello? Maybe we should make Tanster the Commander-in-Chief. Mobilize the armies! We need to fight. Celebrity Apprentice should die.

  274. Does this mean that The Office is done for the season?

    As much as that stinks, it sucks more for Scrubs, seeing as this was their last season.

  275. An open letter to NBC execs:

    I would rather watch an hour of nothing but commercials. Or just give me a blank screen. Seriously.

    Must Seethe TV

  276. I have no words for how disgusted I am right now. Mrs. Halpert said it perfectly in post #610: “Congratulations, universe. You win.” :(

  277. I heard a while back that they were gonna do Celebrity Apprentice. They also said that it was gonna fill up the time slot the The Biggest Loser has since that show will be done by the end of the year. Why must they do this to us?!?!?!

    I guess there goes the thursday night get-togethers with some of my co-workers.

  278. Oh Yeah..The Donald is back..with Gene Simmons WOW!..Hey NBC..give Erik Estrada and one of those guys from The Partridge Family a call..I think their schedule is wide open..(notable saracasm)BRING BACK THE OFFICE OR I’LL HAVE TO HURT MY HDTV!HA..HA.HA!!!

  279. It’s ironic how The Office started out as a filler show and now it is needy of a filler show. I know I will not be watching ‘The Celebrity Apprentice’ for the sake of the strike and also because it just doesn’t sound like much fun.

  280. #586: If the strike is over by then (which I’m crossing my fingers it will be) then hopefully they will cancel that stupid apprentice show because I doubt that hardly anyone is going to watch it. Come on, celebrity apprentice? That is going to be the stupidest show ever.

  281. Celebrity Apprentice? The nightmares are becoming true…what’s next, a Deal or No Deal 24hr. marathon?

    Although, as much as I want to boycott reality TV, I am kinda excited about the resurgence of American Gladiators. Is that bad?

  282. Well at least we’ll have some quality programming in place of The Office. I was worried they’d do some DUMB reality show. Whew.

  283. Thank you Ben Silverman for coming to NBC and pulling The Apprentice out of the trash bin. And now we have The Apprentice with “celebrities”. Wow, what kind of celebrities are we getting? Chris Crocker the YouTube Brittany Spears cryer? Oh, how about Nick Lackey or that girl who beat up that other girl in Tila Tequila’s show? Cannot. Wait. Geez, writers and studios, please take your time to get a deal done. The networks are taking good care of us. Lots of commercials online, plenty of lame brain celebrity sychopants, and I hear that Paris Hilton’s dog is going to get his own show. Now THAT’s entertainment. Ha-cha!

  284. Did we all really need another reason to dislike Trump? And Sara (#586) raises a valid question.

    I wish they would have just chosen to air the UK version of the Office instead…

  285. Boycott Celebrity Apprentice!!!! Then NBC will realize that they are nothing without the well written comedy and drama series!

  286. Oh crap, how do we keep people from watching that!? I have a bad feeling many people will just soak it up!

    It’s like NBC knew this would happen! GRRRRR. I’m so upset. I and as many people I can get will be going no where near that stupid Apprentice, mark my words!

  287. Celebrity Apprentice instead of The Office???

    Wow. Just when I thought I couldn’t hate Donald Trump more…

  288. Well I think that’s just dandy. At least we know that pretty much everyone in the world will NOT be watching NBC Thursday nights. Wooo boycott!

  289. 581-RixChick
    I don’t think we should assume that the actors, writers, producers, etc. aren’t helping the crew. The Office Fans Christmas Fund is just a nice way for fans to show that we appreciate their work.

  290. Question: What if the strike is over by then? Are we going to have to wait until the stupid Apprentice is over with? Or are they going to move “The Apprentice” to a different time?

  291. I was saying Boo-urns. I can’t believe this season is going to be 8 episodes long. With no Christmas show. What a sad time to be an Office fan.

  292. Celebrity Apprentice. Guess who has two thumbs and hates that idea. THIS guy (or gal). I hope no one watches it.

  293. If your work is on network television, now is not the time to strike. TV is a mess…Xbox, internet porn and DVD’s have killed ratings.

    What do you think Les Moonves is going to tell the board of directors now? You just gave him a great excuse….”the reason ratings are down is because of the strike *whisper* not because we suck”.

    YOU ARE MAKING A MISTAKE. You’re not as valuable as you used to be. Frickin’ Andy Samberg went from You Tube dude to SNL regular in 6 months. If you won’t write, millions of creative people will be found who will….and TV execs will find them, wherever they are.

  294. ohkrasinski…so right, so right. As much as I love the show, remind me why I need to donate to a Christmas relief fund when I read that one of the main stars (and main advocates for the writers’ strike) earns $175,000 per episode! So come on actors show your love out of wallet just as you have on the picket line! I for one will leave the cast and producers to help the crew with missing wage. I instead will donate to another needy cause.

  295. 568-Smartone – you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

    I’m glad at least that everyone is going back to the table and my guess is that it does, at least in some respects, have to do with the fact that the strike has not gone the way the studios thought it would, with so many people, both famous and not-so-famous like us, supporting the writers. Fingers crossed, toes crossed, rubbing my lucky rabbit’s foot like crazy!!

  296. I’m going to be in L.A. tomorrow.. maybe I should go join the picket lines! haha. Sadly I won’t be able to, but I really hope this gets resolved as soon as possible. Strikes are an unpleasant affair.

  297. I jsut saw a video by the Daily Show writers (which is, of course, the original show of both Steve Carrell and Ed Helms) and it gives some more good (and funny) information about the whole online media thing. It deals specifically with Viacom, but the general idea applies to the whole dilemma. It can be found here

  298. #572 Line, the above quote by Greg Daniels says that, “for every month there [is] a strike, three episodes [will] not be made.” The season will probably only go into May, if and when it resumes. If we have the immense good fortune of having the strike end soon after the November 26th negotiations, that would be about a month of strike. So, assuming Greg Daniels’ words hold true, we’re probably going to miss out on at least three episodes.

  299. I do feel for the crew,I know what it’s like to go through hard times. BUT, I feel if anyone should be donating to the OFCF it should be the writers and actors first. I am sure they can afford to donate even $100. As a college students with our kids to support we don’t make enough to ensure my kids will get a Christmas either. I know this is harsh, but, it’s life.

  300. Could someone clarify one question for me please?
    If and when a deal is made, will new episodes only have their chance to air during the usual time frame until May, and then that’s it no matter how many episodes there are? Or do they continue making a full season no matter how long it takes or when it ends..

  301. November 26th!!! Oh man. I’m going to knock on wood, keep my fingers crossed, not walk under any ladders, throw salt over my shoulder, avoid black cats, and do a raindance in hopes that things turn out well and everyone can go back to work.

    This is progress. I’m very hopeful.

  302. I love Kent Zbornak. Lots. And what he’s doing with that Office Fans Christmas Funds program makes me love him even more.

    Now I’m off to make my donation!

  303. The thing I haven’t figured out —

    the studios say there is no money from online so why don’t they give the writers a percentage of online revenue – if there is no money than 8% of nothing is nothing

  304. Maybe Office fans should send lots of boxes of jello to the bigwigs or something else symbolic of the show. :)

    The pencils campaign is okay but I’m not sure it’s grassroots enough to be effective.

    Anyway, good that they are at least talking again. I’m not holding my breath expecting new episodes anytime soon though. I’d be surprised if we even got a few more in the spring.

  305. I agree, 561. I’m a little surprised to hear that they’re even coming back to the table this soon. If these talks yield progress, great.

    But if they don’t – and that’s a real possibility – expect the next shot to be fired by the SAG next summer.

    I don’t like being a pessimist, either, but I definitely wouldn’t hold out for a Christmas episode. Even if this meeting does result in a contract.

  306. I really hope this strike ends soon…what’s gonna happen to season 4?! Pay the writers what they deserve so we can have our show back!! No one is going to tune in to the repeats because they’re already airing on tbs on tuesday nights! I can’t imagine the Office without a Christmas episode :(

  307. I’m really glad they’re going to start negotiating. This makes me a little more optimistic.

    However, I don’t think the whole strike is going to resolve itself this soon-everyone is too stubborn; I’m still not expecting this to be over for at least a couple more months. But, in a few weeks, the TV will be full of reruns- many shows are going to run out of new episodes soon. I hope the networks realize that a buttload of reality TV makes no one happy. ;)

  308. I just want to say that on November 26th, everyone here on Officetally is going to be right behind our favorite show. We believe in you guys, and we want our show back!!

  309. Yikes, everyone seems to be getting ahead of themselves. What makes you all think that the studios and networks are hurting so badly that they are going to give everything the writers want at the negotiating table? After all, only one show – The Office – has come off the air. Maybe this is just the pessimist in me, but I will not be expecting a Christmas episode this year.

  310. Please let this talk end the strike! All I want for Christmas is an Office Christmas party episode.

  311. IOUs for Christmas
    If you were planning to give Office goodies to your families and friends this year, how about an IOU instead? You could use your “I Love Jim” paper, or write it on a Schrutebuck, or a Stanley nickel. Let them know that you won’t be buying any licensed merchandise until the strike is settled, but as soon as the WGA reaches an agreement they’ll be getting their nifty-gifty.

  312. Yay! This is a great start. Even if they don’t get everything settled, at least they’re getting things moving.

  313. All I want for Christmas is for this strike to be resolved! Hollywood, could you please give me my present early? Say on November 26?

    I am already going through withdrawal and it’s only been two days!

  314. If the negotiations work out during the week of Novebmer 26 and the strike ends, how long do you think it will be until we see a new episode again? I’m thinking that it will most likely be January, I’m not really not sure.

  315. I hope this changes things and fast! The upcoming schedule is depressing me :( rerun, after rerun, after rerun…

    Pay the writers! Bring back TV!

  316. yes! im so happy that they are going to start to talk!

    hopefully these negotiations go well!

    we need our office back asap :o)

  317. Thank God for that. Finally some development. I know it’s not much, but I’ll take it. I guess our letters and postcards did something or I like to think so. Thanks for the update Tanster.

  318. Wow, getting back to the negotiating table is a really big step. I’m relieved, but apprehensive. I hope they reach a fair deal.

  319. Ok… Now I’m really seeing a pattern with the episode selections. The Coup? The Negotiation? Business School? The writers are clearly trying to send a message. Very clever and witty, like our writers. (Quietly sobs)

  320. Agree #540! They could at least throw a repeat Benihana Christmas or the Christmas Party in there!

    Hey NBC producers take a hint from December 13!

  321. I read the article and it sounds like if they terminate the actors after the 5 week suspension period, the actors are still contractually tied to the show once the strike is over as per their original contract – BUT they have the freedom to pursue other projects.

    So it’s a lot of legal stuff but not actually the end of the world…I think?

  322. I just received the following from GE:

    Thank you for expressing your views. We will pass these on to the appropriate executives at GE and NBC Universal.

    Thank you

    GE Corporate Feedback Team

    (We’ll see.)

  323. For those people worried about the office, fear not. Even though NBC has not given the show the recognition it deserves, I wanted to share something with you.
    I went to NYC a couple of days ago and stopped by the NBC store. Most of the merchandise was for The Office. Huge posters of Steve Carrell everywhere.
    It is clear that NBC knows who are the shows that bring in money.
    I’m sure everyone and everything will be back to normal once everyone agrees on the terms

  324. I support the writers in their strike but I have to agree with the second paragraph of 525 by “C’mon now”.

  325. This blog post seems to explain “Force Majeure” and why the studios want it.

    From what I understand from it: If the studios hang on to the strike long enough to be able to cancel contracts on a large scale, they can weed out stuff they don’t want and keep the stuff they do. Getting rid of contracts that aren’t making enough money would be a way for them to recoup some of the money they have lost on the strike.

    I would think The Office would be something they would keep… considering how much imaginary profit it brings in through “new media,” the maybe-sorta-could-be way of the future.

  326. #528 Wince

    I can see why you would say that, but it seems to me that the more people that take a stand in this strike the sooner, the shorter it will be in the long run. Even if Steve Carell and the other actors went back to work today, production would shut down as soon as scripts run out (which would be very soon, since I think there were very few (one? two?) scripts ready to shoot).

    This strike is really, really unfortunate timing for the crew, but Steve Carell going back to work would not, I don’t think, make a big difference. On the contrary, he stands to play a role in shortening the length of this strike by refusing to cross the picket line, especially if other major actors follow his example.

  327. I just reread the article. Thank God! I kinda freaked out at the word “Terminated” and stopped there. Knowing that they can come back after the strike is over is fine, I just want them to get back to work soon before this has to occur. Thanks again Tanster for keeping the fans updated.

  328. If the actors get terminated, didnt’ the article say they would get automatically hired back when the show resumes? I think if they get terminated, they are just free to do other projects, etc. I am not too worried. The networks can’t start from scratch with all new shows after this if over. I know it will end eventually, I just hope it ends soon so that we can have more Office this season.

  329. To those freaking out over the “termination” meaning the end of The Office, read all the way through the article.

    “Upon termination, actors are no longer paid and are free to do other projects. When production on the shows resumes, they are guaranteed to be rehired by the studios under the original terms of their deals.”

  330. I think the studio heads and writers should all sit down together, watch “The Negotiation” and share some ‘za (cause everyone likes pizza), and say, “Hug it out, bitch…and give me my money.” I can understand how the studios are raising the stakes this way, but “30 Rock” and “The Office” are NBC’s only solid performers when it comes to comedy. Are they really going to sack half of the cast and staff on a gamble?
    Doubtful.

  331. I’m in full agreement with the comment in #525. Greg Daniels and Steve Carell should have kept working until the finished scripts were gone.

  332. #525, I’m sure that Greg Daniels, Steve Carell, etc. are also helping the crew. The myspace page looks like it was created by fans for fan donations, and that Kent Zbornak was just made aware of it and forwarded the site to Tanster. I don’t doubt for a second that the higher paid people of the Office will look after those who are losing their jobs with no safety net.

  333. If anything actually happens to our writers and actors, I swear.
    In the words of Michael Scott:
    “You will have a mutiny on your hands, a mutiny!”

  334. I’m confused! What does this latest post mean? That they might start firing the writers? and actors?
    WHAT!! This can’t be happening. We can’t lose any of our Office anything! omg.

  335. After reading that, I might actually go up to NYC and join in or something.

    The latest post really scares me. If people get fired, then that’s the end, really. This is really bad.

  336. That article was really scaring me until I read: “Upon termination, actors are no longer paid and are free to do other projects. When production on the shows resumes, they are guaranteed to be rehired by the studios under the original terms of their deals.” Still frightening, but at least we know no one would be terminated permanently.

    This is getting more and more serious by the day, and it looks like the studios are getting ready for a long haul. I really hope that they come to their senses, and soon.

  337. While I support the writers fully:

    Rachel’s comment, “The New York Times reported they’re down to ten people walking in an oval, not even chanting.”

    That just makes me feel like they’ve got no passion/reason to be there, it’s just sad…

  338. tanster here’s an article from tvguide.com listing when a lot of primetime shows will go black…we all know The Office is done for awhile, but people would probably be interested in this if they watch other shows

  339. Can someone come help out WGA East? I’m not a member or anything, but the picket lines are just plain sad. The New York Times reported they’re down to ten people walking in an oval, not even chanting.

  340. “After tonight, will the next episode (whenever that’ll be) still be season 4 or the beginning of Season 5?”

    It depends on how long the strike goes. As of now, it looks like the strike won’t be resolved anytime soon, meaning season 4 is almost certainly over. The earliest that we will see new episodes is probably the start of season 5 next fall.

    “So is tonight considered the season finale of season 4?”

    Yeah, that’s the way it seems. But it was written before the strike, so it wasn’t written to be the season finale. Thus, it will just be a regular episode. It won’t be a “special” season finale kind of episode.

  341. Can someone answer this for me…

    After tonight, will the next episode (whenever that’ll be) still be season 4 or the beginning of Season 5? I ask because The Office always has great season finales. So is tonight considered the season finale of season 4?

  342. It’s really sad that tonight’s new episode will probably be the last one for at least ten months, but in the long run, it’ll be worth it. My hope is it’ll be over by May, the writers will have forged the path for fair play for the actors and directors and The Office will go into production on time for Season 5. Do I BELIEVE that’ll happen? Well…I hope so!

  343. #501; Well look who MSNBC is run by! Of course NBC and Microsoft want us to watch the shows online. They are definitely on the opposing side of the writers. Man, I am so depressed that today is the last new episode! Who would have thought this would happen? Remember how excited we were about the new season, and now this? I just hope the studios wake up and give the writers what they’re worth.

  344. i want this strike to end peacefully with the WGA getting everything they deserve!

    Awareness now, people!!

    actors need writers
    writers need actors
    hence the reason both factions are in this strike.
    those funny zingers, those monumental one liners we often spew to punch up a conversation, those moments we can relate to..those are from writers! So we have to support or else we’re going to be riddled with tasteless reality shows from here till whenever! and from what i’ve read so far it looks like whenever is far far far away

  345. This strike is ridiculous. The Rich want to get richer. This is just as nonsensical as NFL players lobbying for a raise from 7 million to 8 million. Just get back to making good shows.

  346. I find it a little disturbing that on MSN’s home page, they have an article about the strike in which they mention ways for us to watch our favorite shows during the strike. One of the suggestions they have is to watch your favorite show online. Yes, watch shows online!! They’ve even got links to full episodes of some of the most popular shows, including our Office. Are they joking?!?! Have they paid any attention to what this strike is actually about?!?! How oblivious can they be?!

  347. 494: Janet- I agree there are definitely many talented people out there who want to be in television badly.

    But the writers of The Office aren’t just lucky people who were “given” the opportunity. As far as I know, they don’t have famous parents or anything like that. The reason it’s so hard to get your foot in the door is because in addition to talent, you need the guts and the perseverance to drop everything, take a huge risk, get in touch with the right people, and do whatever you can to build up an impressive field of work.

    There is obviously some luck in there, but I think that mix of guts and talent is pretty rare and hard to replace. Which is why we should support our writers!

  348. Tanster,

    I think we can all agree on one thing….we want our show back. I am just glad you gave us all a place to vent our frustrations.

  349. But TobyFan, the reason that studios aren’t just replacing the writers isn’t because they’re so irreplaceable, it’s because of what unions do to scabs. If any writer volunteered to fill-in, they would be black-balled for life in Hollywood once the strike ends. Just one more noble thing about unions.

  350. Clearly all the writers in Hollywood are not replaceable, or the studios would try to do so. They don’t currently have a contract with the union, so they’re free to do whatever they like. The fact that they’re not might actually indicate that talented writers are not “a dime a dozen” as people seem to think. I think people have missed the very simple point at the heart of this strike – the studios are ALREADY making money from new media and EVERY studio is predicting new media will be their target growth area. They just don’t want to share. Not just with writers, but with anyone involved.

  351. 492 – I disagree – this country is full of extremely talented, undiscovered people who would probably drop everything for the opportunity to write for television and the movies without being in a union. They just haven’t been given the opportunity or don’t have the connections to even get a foot in the door. Just because the Office writers are very gifted does not mean all WGA writers are so talented that they could not easily be replaced.

  352. “But there is a HUGE difference between revenue and profit.” Yeah, although the incremental add to expenses and overhead is pretty small when it comes to online content. [/accounting geek]

    Having said that, I think all of this depends on your perspective and individual experiences. It’s one thing to support the strike when all it means is that you’ll be suffering through reruns for a while. It’s another issue entirely when you’re seeing your coworkers being laid off by the hundreds. People who are worried about paying their PG&E bill in 10 weeks, not 10 years. People who (unlike the writers and actors, if SAG takes on the issue as well) will never, ever benefit from the strike.

    So although the writers may have the “right” stand on principle, they’re taking down a lot of people for their own personal benefit. The same can be said for the studios, for not ponying up, but based on what my company is going through with all of this, it kind of gets to me when the writers are painted as innocent, purely altruistic victims. Both sides are doing this for money, plain and simple.

  353. To everyone saying that the writers deserve no more money than the rest of us, I have to disagree.

    I’m not saying that writers have a more IMPORTANT job; I’m saying they have a rarer skill. That kind of consistent wit and creativity that the writers possess is very rare, and unlike office jobs or manual labor or even surgery, it relies more on natural talent than learned skills.

    So it makes perfect sense that they get compensated considerably for it- b/c they are much harder to replace.

  354. UM actually, 62,000 is enough, even in LA where I lived on less as recently as 2 years ago (difficult, but possible). This is about people who have jobs most of us could only dream of getting lost in a fight of “principles.” It’s not about the little people by any stretch of the imagination. How many of you work for corporations that make ridiculous amounts of money but pay you a very little, itty, bitty percentage of that? I do…it happens. That’s life.

  355. United Hollywood website today said that this strike is expected to last at least 60 days, that means well into January of next year. I read a source from somewhere claimed that if the strike is not resolved by Christmas, most TV shows are done for the season. This week episode can be the last, guys. Seriously, I’m gonna cry.

    But, stay strong writers, stay strong. I support you guys 1000%. “Don’t write until it’s right.”

    [Link already posted in previous comment.]

  356. #474 Yeah, my earlier post was in favor of the writers. I guess I didn’t make it clear that the four cents was mailed to a studio exec. and not to a writer. The purpose was to send the four cents to the studio, in hopes of them seeing how minimal a demand the writers are actually making.

  357. Many of you are bringing up valid points as to why the writers shouldn’t be striking, but when you think about it, this isn’t just a black and white issue. There’s something to be said for the artistic side of this too. I believe the writers deserve their fair share of ANY money made from their art. I understand that gaffers etc. don’t get residuals, but, like it or not, writing is a much harder skill. The writers of the most popular shows are the only reason they have lucrative ad-time to sell. Why stream the shows online at all if the studios aren’t seeing profits from it? Obviously there is a huge, and very marketable, demand for well written shows to be available online. Do we really believe that NBC is streaming full-length episodes out of the kindness of it’s heart? Pay the writers what they are worth (which in my opinion is way more than the studio execs.)

  358. #480:

    EXACTLY! The logic used by the writers is completely circular. The writers’ only claim to residuals is based on the argument: “Well, writers are just supposed to get them.” There is no inalienable right to residuals.

  359. “GE predicts NBC Universal will produce $1 billion in digital advertising revenue by 2009″

    But there is a HUGE difference between revenue and profit.

  360. #478:

    Yours. The post was expressing support for the writers, but you said “What a great idea,” and then said you weren’t supporting the writers.

  361. I know someone has already posted this, but GE predicts NBC Universal will produce $1 billion in digital advertising revenue by 2009 – I’m not sure how anyone can doubt that the studios have targeted digital media as their key growth market in the future when they are stating this directly. This is not “pie in the sky” – this is a revenue prediction from the parent company’s annual report to investors. The point of residuals is that if the studio made less than their targets, writers and others involved in creating the product would make less too.

  362. #479-

    Oh, there is no way I support the studios. I feel like I can’t support either side because I’ve never supported strikes in general. But if I have to pick a side, I would pick the writers over the studios any day.

  363. Maybe no one in Hollywood deserves as much money as they’re getting. But that’s not the point. Hollywood industries are extremely lucrative and that money has to go somewhere whether we like it or not. I’d rather see it go to the creative minds behind the show than studio execs.

  364. 473 – Yes, this post surely explains residuals, but it it does very little to justify them, or the strike. Parts of it are unquestionably logically hollow, and often circular. For example:

    “Why don’t gaffers get residuals? Because residuals are royalties paid to an author, [and gaffers aren’t authors.]”

    None of the reasoning in the post answer the all-too-obvious and looming question: Why should writers earn residuals in the first place? Or, why do only writers and producers on a re-sellable product earn residuals.

    And, finally, the author is notably misinformed: many authors don’t receive residuals as part of their publishing deal.

    I’m with 474 on this one: I don’t support the writers.

  365. Hey Moomintroll, your post made me laugh :)…

    But in all seriousness, those corporate bastards aren’t getting a single penny from me, not a penny, not anymore until my shows come back. So as much as I’d like to inundate them with something, it isn’t going to be money. I’d rather just send them empty envelopes with a message written on the back that says, “This is how much money you will be getting from this TV viewer until my shows, especially The Office, are back with the wonderful writers I know, pay them now, or you’ll pay later!”

    And #474, what has made you stop wanting to support the writers? Whatever you do, don’t support the greedy corporate studios. Please.

  366. 473 Stanleythemanley,

    Thanks so much for linking to that article. It was a well-written and informative read. This blog/article articulates so well that there is huge difference between selling your intellectual property to a company (and the agreements made between the two sides)and being hired on by a company to do a certain task that just so happens to have you ‘producing’ something. And absolutely if authors and song writers continue to reap the benefits of their work based on its’ success why should screenwriters be any different? Regardless of what ‘side’ you’re on I think there is some excellent information to be found and it might just help one understand and be more informed about the situation at hand. Personally, I feel more informed in my support of the WGA after reading this.

  367. ThreeHolePunchVersion #467, #468

    What you produce is as lucrative as an Office episode?
    Writers in Hollywood make their companies millions of dollars. Drones in an everyday office? Teachers educating students? Not so much.

    I work for an oil and gas consulting company that out earns The Office by Billions of dollars per year. I see no residual checks for the geological work that I produce that gets rehashed from project to project. I go to work and get paid, and if we do a good job we get a christmas bonus at the end of the year. That is just how it is in the real world.

  368. I just watched two shows – “30 Rock” and “Friday Night Lights” on NBC.com. And the only ads played during these episodes were NBC ads, or NBC promos for other NBC shows.

    In other words, the executives might have a point about the how much $$$ is really going to come in via these internet replays, especially for the shows that don’t perform well when broadcast. If NBC can’t seem to sell any ad-time for these rebroadcasts, maybe they really are just “promotions.” After all, NBC isn’t paying itself to run ads for itself on the web.

    Looks like the writers may have jumped the gun on this issue.

  369. I was reading the united hollywood blog and someone mailed a letter with 4 pennies taped inside (which is the amount the writers are asking for as an increase to their current compensation) It said something like I hear you’re strapped for cash, hope this helps! Maybe we could start an office-specific campaign like this? All of us sending 4 cents to NBC..I know, I know it’s giving them money, but think of how annoying it would be to get tons of letters with 4 cents in them? Like they’ll cash it. It would show how petty they’re being.

  370. P.S. My feeling is that the studios do not want to settle this strike and have no interest in getting back to the bargaining table. They want to settle the directors’ contract first then base their offer to the writers on that. The directors will not need to strike to get the studios to talk to them. They have more power than the writers do. My prediction: the studios won’t even talk until they’ve settled with the directors.

  371. Sarah’s point may be true in her own work experience, however, in every job I have ever had there were employees paid based on a percentage of revenue produced – commissions, stock options, profit sharing, bonuses, even tips would all fall under this category and they are as prevalent in the real world as they are in Hollywood. The system of paying writers based on revenue is good for the studios – it means if the work the writers produce doesn’t generate revenue, then they don’t have to pay. The issue at the heart of the strike is not about studios wanting to do away with the current compensation system, it is about them not wanting to include certain products in the compensation system, even though those products generate revenue.

  372. This whole incident shows us just how far removed Hollywood is from the rest of the country.

    You’re still coming at this like the Hollywood industry is like any other industry. It isn’t, in any way, comparable. Writers in Hollywood make their companies millions of dollars. Drones in an everyday office? Teachers educating students? Not so much.

  373. I produce a product for my employer. My employer profits from that product.

    What you produce is as lucrative as an Office episode?

  374. Is there anyway we can help with the strike and help it end? I just want every one to end this and just give the writers what they want.

  375. “Hollywood is far removed from the real world though.”

    I think that was her point. This whole incident shows us just how far removed Hollywood is from the rest of the country.

  376. “the difference is, unless I am mistaken, you don’t own a copyright on the product you produce. The writers do, hence they are paid residuals from reruns and the like.”

    No, the writers don’t own a copyright on their product either. NBC owns the copyright for all material produced for NBC. Thus, they can do whatever they want with it.

  377. Sarah – the difference is, unless I am mistaken, you don’t own a copyright on the product you produce. The writers do, hence they are paid residuals from reruns and the like.

  378. “If the studios are making money off of the writers’ product (and they are), the writers deserve a portion of that profit.”

    They do? I produce a product for my employer. My employer profits from that product. But I don’t see a penny of that profit. I simply get paid my agreed upon salary. That’s the way it works in the real world.

  379. 455 Nard Dog
    Agreeing to pay someone based on distribution, then orchestrating a steady shift from distributions which require payment (e.g. TV original airings and reruns) to distributions which don’t require payment(e.g. new media), now that sounds greedy.

    Very well said, ND.

    Also greedy is defining all web content as “promotions,” including entire episodes rerun on the net and webisodes, created exclusively for the net. As Mike Schur said on the Office strike video, now that is creative writing.

    If the studios are making money off of the writers’ product (and they are), the writers deserve a portion of that profit.

  380. I think we can all agree that writers’ compensation is based on the number of times their work is distributed.

    Demanding to be paid when your work is distributed isn’t greedy. Particularly if the writers will accept a deal that gives them money from internet distribution only if profit is made from such distribution. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think this is the position of the WGA.

    Agreeing to pay someone based on distribution, then orchestrating a steady shift from distributions which require payment (e.g. TV original airings and reruns) to distributions which don’t require payment(e.g. new media), now that sounds greedy.

  381. “It’s pretty clear that both sides are only interested in getting wealthier than they already are.”

    I don’t really think it is even all about that. Yeah I’m sure the writers (along with just about anybody) would like to me more wealthy. But really this is about trying to save at least the amount they are already making. The best example of this is in the case of Lost. Lost is not shown in reruns anymore. All extra viewings of this show is done online or through DVD. They are taking any residuals they made from reruns away from them and giving nothing else in return. This may be the future of a lot of tv shows. If the online bit isn’t included in the new contracts, they will be SOL in the future if reruns disappear.

  382. “Who’s the greedy side here? For me, it’s clearly the studios.”

    Who says that only one side can be greedy? Both sides are being equally greedy. It’s pretty clear that both sides are only interested in getting wealthier than they already are. I just wish that the writers would be upfront about it and say it like it is, rather than trying to convince us that they can’t pay their electric bills.

  383. I just want to add that I fully support the writers. $62,000 is not a lot, considering the living standards in California. Plus, they may make average $62,000 now, but in the future where the new media is mainstream, they technically will take a drastic pay cut, given they will have zero dollar from internet streaming and downloads. Who’s the greedy side here? For me, it’s clearly the studios.

  384. “Mike Schur did not say that the lowest paid writers make $62,000. He said that the average was $62,000. This figure is certainly skewed higher by the few writers who make top dollar.”

    No, that’s not correct. He said that $62,000 was the average yearly salary for those who “work sporadically”. Thus, the high paid writers aren’t included in that average and don’t skew it higher. $62,000 is the average for the “little guy” writers who don’t work regularly.

    I wish I could work sporadically and get paid $62,000! I work daily and don’t make near that much.

  385. Please don’t disclude Michael Schur’s article simply because he doesn’t think $62,000 a year is a decent wage.

    Remember that he lives in California, where the cost of living is much higher than it is in most other parts of the country. $60,000 in California would probably equate to a teacher’s salary in most other states if you consider the cost of living.

    I saw this article from Forbes online:

    “That $1 million house in Santa Monica will cost you $280,000 in Charlottesville, VA; $187,000 in Austin, TX; $134,000 in Knoxville, TN; $193,000 in Provo, UT; $203,000 in Athens, GA; $213,000 in Gainesville, FL; and $197,000 in Tucson, AZ. Add another 50% to get into the better school districts–hey, that’s still cheap compared with California or New York.”

    Source.

    Just something to keep in mind.

  386. Joel Surnow quoted in the Washington Times:
    “The executive producer of Fox’s Emmy-winning counterterrorism thriller “24,” interviewed after a Saturday speech to a conservative student group, also predicted that the current screenwriters’ strike would be “hugely long” and settled to the disadvantage of the writers union.”

    Not good.

  387. Mike Schur did not say that the lowest paid writers make $62,000. He said that the average was $62,000. This figure is certainly skewed higher by the few writers who make top dollar. I don’t think he was saying that this isn’t a living wage but that it is a modest income in comparison to the revenue that the networks and studios get from product for which the writers are either barely compensated (video/dvd sales)or not compensated at all (internet content).

  388. P.S. if we are concerned about the 102 people who have been laid off as a result of the strike, then perhaps we should convince the studios to respond to the union’s last offer and get back to the bargaining table. Ultimately this strike happened because the studios allowed it to. (Note today’s comments from the head of Fox about how much money he will save as a result of the strike.)

  389. I think Michael Shur’s reference to $62,000 is for working writers. WGA stats for 2005 show the median income of TV writers at NBC Universal was $63,500. This is in contrast to everyone claiming writers are out there making six-figure salaries left, right and centre. They are not, not even the ones with a steady paying job at a large network.

  390. ThreeHolePunchVersion,

    No, my problem isn’t that they work in a lucrative industry. My problem is that they are trying to win support for their side by tugging on people’s heartstrings and claiming that these poor, poor writers are on the verge or poverty and can’t feed their families and can’t keep the lights on. They make $62,000 a year! That’s not anywhere near poverty. For them to claim that it is and use it to gain support is what causes me to lose respect for the writers. It’s completely disrespectful to those of us who live on much less than $62,000 and never complain about it.

    Honestly, I would have much more respect for the writers if they would just be honest and say, “Look, this isn’t about the ‘little guy’, this isn’t about paying the electric bill. It’s about us being greedy and wanting all the money that we can possibly get. What’s wrong with that?”

  391. It’s pretty ironic that he whines so much about the wealthy network and studio execs, when the writers themselves are far wealthier than people in the real world.

    No, it’s ludicrous to act like every industry is as lucrative as the television industry. The writers’ work brings in huge amounts of revenue, whereas, in my field, for example (education), the same could never be said. Why is there no outrage about the CEOs whining about there being no money, when it’s glaringly obvious by their salaries that that is untrue.

  392. I can see why the writers want to be paid fairly for their work. However, I agree that bandying about figures like $62,000 as a barely living wage is a bit of a turnoff to me, as is Jenna Fischer worrying about her electricity years from now. Get a different job if this one doesn’t pan out, just like everyone else has to do.

    I need to stop reading all this–I enjoyed the show more when I didn’t pay so much attention to the business side of things.

  393. Mike Schur’s latest article just continues to show how out of touch everyone in Hollywood is with the real world. He finds it outrageous that the lowest-paid writers only make $62,000 a year (and that’s averaging in the “lean years” with no work). I would guess that that’s about what most people here make. It’s certainly much more than I make. It’s more than teachers make. It’s more than policemen make. It’s more than firemen make. It’s a perfectly legitimate, livable wage. It’s not a matter of these people not being able to buy food for their families or not being able to keep the lights on (as Jenna wrote). Sorry, I don’t feel any pity or sympathy for any industry where the absolute lowest rung on the ladder makes $62,000 a year. It’s pretty ironic that he whines so much about the wealthy network and studio execs, when the writers themselves are far wealthier than people in the real world.

  394. Wow – I really should have read the comments before posting my suggestion about contacting the advertisers. Umm, yeah, Karen, I’m about a day or so behind you – oops!

  395. Not sure if this has already been considered, but what if, in addition to writing to studio heads like Jeff Zucker, we were also to write letters to the companies that advertise their products during The Office? Maybe politely explain our position as supporting the WGA and that a) we won’t be seeing their commercials since we won’t be watching nbc.com or NBC after the last new episode airs, and b)we won’t be buying their products so long as they support the studios. Or we could even just CC a couple of corporations on the letters to Zucker – that way they’re aware that nobody will be seeing their commercials (commercials THEY spent lots of money to create and air). All we’d really need to do is post some of the brands/products that have been running commercials during The Office, Scrubs, 30 Rock, My Name is Earl, and the companies’ contact info.

    Studios are all about money, right? Maybe pressure from corporations that normally spend big $$$ on ad buys will nudge them towards a fair resolution with the writers? Just a thought.

  396. #418 – Blacklamb, you put it perfectly. Thank you. Very well said.

    I support the writers here, too, (100%) but I am also heartbroken about the possibility of having this be the end of Season 4. It’s almost sucked the joy out of watching these last couple episodes. I don’t feel like blogging about new episodes anymore(like I normally do) and the steam has just run out.

    I started to question my emotions over this whole thing last night; wondering why a TV show meant so much to me. Perhaps my priorities are out of whack, but it’s such a comfort to know that other dedicated fans (such as yourselves) are feeling rather melancholy and “heartbroken” over the (temporary) loss of such a wonderful show, as well.

    No other show has ever brought me such joy. At this point, all I want for Christmas is ‘The Office’ back.

  397. #431

    I don’t know if this is what you’re looking for but the strikeswag.com site was started by a writer and the profits go to the WGA’s Solidarity Fund.

  398. Tanster,
    Can you find out if Mike and Jen (and others) think it would be a good idea to send copies of our letters of support to some of the top advertisers as well as studio heads? Just an idea…thanks.

  399. As much as I support the WGA and know that the studios are selfish fat cats – many people are losing their jobs because of the WGA decision to strike. Some might question the ethics of that decision…

  400. 431-Purple Belt- I was wondering the same thing, so i searched the WGA website, ebay, even googled searched, but I couldn’t find the official t shirts the strikers wore. Although on Cafe Press people made some WGA stike shirts. If I find them I will let you know.

  401. The writers are using you guys. Now you guys are on their side because they cater to your needs, knowing they can get what they want by being BFFs with you. They make millions a year and they’re the victim? Reality check everyone.

  402. Alright folks, I have a brilliant beyond brilliant idea.

    Something tells me that just sending letters to the networks might not be enough. That got me to thinking…remember when that show Jericho was canceled, and its fans sent thousands of pounds of nuts to CBS? And then, lo and behold, CBS reversed their decision to cancel? Well, why can’t we do that here?

    How about we send things to the networks synonymous with writers (like…I dunno, pencils?). Or we can even send Office-themed knick-knacks!

    So everyone, grab as many yogurt lids and Herr’s Chips as you can and send them to Jeff Zucker! If it worked for Jericho, it can work for the writers!

    Who’s with me?!?!

  403. Seriously, I don’t know what I would do without OfficeTally. It’s the best site ever, for realsies. Tanster, you rock!! Thanks so much for keeping us all informed on the strike!

  404. I loved Michael Schur’s letter; I actually laughed out loud several times. The whole internet thing is really ridiculous. The letter I wrote last night it pretty much all about the speciousness of their statement that the internet is “too new”.

  405. Everyone saying that the writers are just striking for money and not on principle, please read Mike Schur’s letter (link above).

    This is about the writers that make a middle class wage, and may be out of a job when they’re 40. They rely in residuals, and soon repeats are going to be shown solely on the “new media,” leaving the creative people with nothing if their contract is not renegotiated fairly.

    And besides, I make a lower-middle class wage, but even if I made more than 100K a year, I’d still be really angry if someone was benefiting off of my creations and not giving me a fair share! That’s what we call… (say it with me now) fighting on principle!

  406. Marie – Advertising revenue does not equal net profit. Forecasts in annual reports do not equal the ultimate reality.

    Yes, they probably have a fair idea about future net earnings from digital distribution and yes, they are being greedy. But the writers are being greedy too and next year, the actors will want some of that pie as well. But what about all the crew members – they will continue to get nada – no pay now and no residuals in the future.

    Television and movies are team efforts. It takes many people with different talents to create the product we ultimately see – it’s not like a novel that is the work primarily of one person. The writers, directors and actors are already making considerably more than everyone else on the set, yet they want more and more so if they are not working, they can still live comfortably. Who ultimately pays for them to live well – we do, the consumer – increased payout to the actors and writers = higher advertising costs = higher prices on consumer products = less money in everyone else’s pockets. Just look at what people dish out for sneakers advertised by athletes.

    I do not support the writers’s strike, nor the overall Hollywood greed on both sides. I love the Office or I wouldn’t even be on this site, obviously, but that doesn’t mean I have to support every move the writers and actors make.

  407. #421

    “The writers for the Office are making more money than I ever will, and so is everyone else in the WGA.”

    Do you make less than 5K a year? Because that is what some of these writers make.

  408. Writers want to be paid royalties before studios break even. So if someone writes a terrible movie which bombs, they still want to be paid royalties on it before the producers earn back the money they lost on the film. Basically they want to earn a profit on their bad movie while the financiers take all the losses.
    Reality TV shows and Game show writers want the same royalties and payments as movie and tv drama writers. So the writers of the Real World and Survivor should get paid the same amount of royalties as the writers of Heroes, The Simpsons, and Oscar-winning movies.

    Link

  409. I’m sorry, but I DO NOT support the writers’ strike. This is not to say that I support the producers, because I support absolutely no one in this matter except the 102 people (and more) who lost their jobs for no good reason. I feel the same way I do when professional sports go on strike – the whole situation reeks. Yes, I realize that the writers aren’t being paid for internet content, but if they expect me to believe for a second that their strike is based on “principle” they are sorely mistaken. It is about money, period. These are not the labor unions of the 19th and early 20th century who were being paid a pittance for what basically amounted to slave labor. The writers for the Office are making more money than I ever will, and so is everyone else in the WGA. Except the producers want MORE money, and the writers want MORE, and next year the actors will want MORE. Here’s an idea: let’s send the producers and writers to the coal mines for a couple weeks, and then I’m sure they’ll immediately find a compromise on how to divide those millions of dollars.

  410. NBC continues their dirty streak by posting, front-and-center on http://www.msn.com, a link to watch Thursday’s Office. I visit MSN multiple times a day, and I have yet to see a link to watch the show right there until now.

  411. NBC is disgusting.

    As if they couldn’t make Office fans more angry when they tried to charge FIVE dollars per episode on iTunes, they’re practically forcing Jay Leno to come back to work so the people below the line can keep their jobs with a horrible ultimatum…

    Then they fire all 102 people below the line on The Office! NBC has lost their minds.

    All the media networks are saying that the strike won’t be noticed for another couple months, but I noticed the first day that there were plenty of differences.

    I’m not watching NBC [on tv, or online] until this gets straight.

  412. Tori,

    What are we losing? I don’t have nearly enough space to adequately express what the Office or its characters mean to me or why, so suffice it to say this show has touched me in ways that go beyond basic entertainment. It’s gotten me (and my family) through very painful events these past few months, given me a reason to laugh when I really needed to. And it continues to do so.

    Looking back on previous entries here, I know I’m not the only one who was crushed at the thought of this being the end of Season 4. Go back and you’ll see it again and again from other fans: “This is breaking my heart”. We care about this show and its characters, and for good reason. It’s simply the best thing to happen to television in a long time.

    On one hand, I am entirely indebted to the writers for what they’ve given me, and want to support them through this. On the other, it truly is a great loss for some of us, even if you don’t feel the same way (we can agree to disagree).

  413. Will the crew members be able to get all their jobs back once production starts again for The Office?

  414. There is a Facebook Group “Support the WGA” that I urge all of you Facebook members to join, just search for “Support the WGA.”

    If it gets a lot of members, maybe people will notice that the networks’ key demographic is taking this thing seriously!

  415. Some gems from the GE 2006 Annual Report:

    “The most important impact of the Internet is in our NBC Universal (NBCU) entertainment business. We are a leader in content and the Internet opens up new avenues for growth. We should hit $1 billion of digital advertising by 2009.

    Our team knows that they must deliver great content with digital distribution to their customers. NBCU should grow earnings in 2007 and is well positioned for the future.”

    And they claim not to know the value of the internet.

  416. We should start a petition on this site, informing Mr. Zucker that all signees will in fact not be watching any more NBC PERIOD, until the strike ends. Dontcha think? Send that thing in with thousands of signatures, maybe it could help.

    I will as well, personally, be photocopying my letter to him and sending it to him in NY every other day for as long as it takes.

  417. I had no idea, until the strike, that the writers did not get compensated for the work they created for the webisodes, nor did I know that they were not paid for the episodes and clips shown on the NBC website. That is just intolerable. The fact that one show already goes straight to the web after the first run on television shows just how important this issue is and why the writers must deal with this now. I support the writers completely.

  418. Has anyone heard anything on when future negotiations might take place? I definitely support the cause of the WGA, but I don’t want to see all of these non-writing employees lose their jobs. So, I really hope just as much energy is going into creating a solution as is going into striking.

  419. I supported the writers until I read more about the strike. Neither side is looking good here. If the writers are hoping for a groundswell of support from TV viewers, it isn’t coming, at least from my part of the world. The writers’ “cause” is losing traction as it becomes clear they’re willing to sacrifice the financial future of working people—-not just their own crew but hourly workers in related businesses–in their “fight” for even more money. As for residuals keeping writers in the black during down times—no one has job security any more. Why should writers get special consideration? Because they’re “creative”? Come on. Put money away for a rainy day like the rest of us, you certainly have more discretionary income than most. I’m not saying the studios look any better. Their greed and stupidity, as they hold onto their money with a white-knuckle death grip, is disgusting. Figure out a way to end the strike, writers and studios, because the patience of your real source of revenue—the viewers who boost your ratings and ad rates—is wearing thin.

  420. 397 | blacklamb

    What are fans really losing? While many of us enjoy this form of entertainment, we aren’t losing anything we can’t live without for a short time, or ever. If it means writers who provide the entertainment will be treated more fairly in the future, I will gladly turn off my television for a while.

    Dale’s letter does make a good point; it has always been the crew who risked losing the most and it sucks they are caught in the middle. The writers didn’t want to strike; the strike came after months of negotiation. It sucks that Dale and others are stuck in this position, but hopefully this one painful strike will help keep other unions from striking when their contracts are also up.

    NBC tried to raise the price for an iTunes episode from $1.99 to $2.99. And then they have the nerve to say they don’t know if “new media” is profitable. The writers are asking for about 4%. Which side seems greedy?

    The studios are the ones who do not care about these people, or you.

  421. Can someone explain how the contracts for any of these unionized groups work? That is, when NBC hires a writer to write The Office, there is a specific contract for that, I assume. And some writers clearly are paid more than others. Is there only one standard contract for everyone, that says a writer gets so much percentage of what the show makes on TV ads (and thus writers for more successful shows get paid more), or can individual writers negotiate for more money or other benefits?

  422. I was a little unsure of the strike, but after reading Dale Alexander’s email I am fairly certain now that this strike has got to end.

    I’m a union man myself but this isn’t a good situation for everyone. Look at the 102 people laid off just from out favorite show. Imagine how many more people are affected from the other shows we watch.

    Those people are the ones like most of us. Blue collar, paycheck to paycheck people. Put yourself in their shoes and it’s a totally new perspective on this situation.

  423. Long time OT reader, first time poster. I just wanted to offer my support of the writers in this ongoing struggle. I am a wannabe writer, and I fully support these writers. Way to go, guys! I am also glad that The Office writers and actors are able to keep that famous sense of humor with them, no matter the situation. Great people, those people.

  424. Dwight as diplomat?
    Rainn is just awesome.And it’s good to see that they don’t lose their humor dealing with such a serious issue.Far from it.

  425. Janet, it’s not about greed on both sides, it is about greed on one side (the Networks and Corporations) and their ability to strong arm the working people (the writers). This may not compare in size and scope, but my father works at a factory in my small town of 20,000. Two years ago, the company decided they were going to cut pay, benefits, and generally treat the workers like crap. The company’s move would have put some people out of their homes. The workers went on strike for 5 months, got the support of local politicians, and eventually, their demands were met and everyone got back to work. Yes, the writers are fighting for more money (now and in the future) and they just happen to work in an industry that affects more than just the workers and the parent company, but we must bite the bullet and support them none the less. The wga strike is proof to other huge companies that normal working people are just that: people…not mere nameless/faceless cogs in a wheel that generates the “higher ups” more money.

  426. Dale Alexander’s e-mail really hit home. I work for a film production company and we’ve been feeling the slowdown for a while already, in anticipation of the strike. Now that it’s in full effect, the company can’t have hundreds of idle workers, so that means staffing cuts.

    I do think the writers have a point, but it’s also important to remember that the their decision to strike has a huge financial impact on many, many people who didn’t have a choice one way or the other (and who usually make considerably less than actors or writers). It’s a difficult time for people who are suffering through the consequences of the strike but have no potential to reap any benefits even if the writers “win”.

  427. Watching this go down just gets harder and harder.

    I really, really tried to be supportive of the writers in the beginning. But I could never shake the feeling this was one big middle finger to the fans, because eventually this is going to get worked out, with both sides satisfied, and we as the audience lose. There is no win for us.

    Now that people who were depending on these jobs (and have much less power and influence then folks like Carell and Daniels) are getting laid off, it only serves to make me angrier. Reading that e-mail reinforced my suspicions that this whole thing really has less to do with “the little guy” and more to do with greed. They certainly don’t seem to care about anything other then their own money issues in “The Office is Closed” video.

    I do hope I’m not coming across as too harsh; it’s impossible to make a thorough argument in fewer than 200 words.

    Also, much love to Ellen for caring about her audience. She’s always been amazing though.

  428. 383 | RLH – That is a great idea. I think that the only thing that can end this is more “money talk”. A major sponsor needs to tell the networks to get their act together or they are pulling their advertisements.

    384 | Danna – I don’t agree. You either support your writers or you don’t. (Actions speak louder than words.) Maybe Ellen has a big heart and (unsuccessfully) tried to please everyone but it could also be is that she is in syndication and up against non-variety shows that won’t go off the air (Oprah, Dr. Phil).

    I have a lot of respect for famous actors who stand by their writers and will lose lots of money from this strike that will never be regained by residuals. Besides now I just feel bad about watching all those shows online and NONE of the writers/actors were being compensated. Besides the WGA made an effort and took the DVD residual change off the table and the AMPTP didn’t meet them halfway.

  429. 382- Huggy Hugs – You are exactly correct. We all work and don’t get paid down the road for work done years ago. We are supposed to be responsible and create nest eggs for those down times. Absolutely no one in today’s world has job security – it’s not just Hollywood writers.

    The repercussions of this strike, and an actors’ strike when their time comes, are not confined to the entertainment industry. Things like this have a ripple effect throughout the whole economy and the economy does not need this now.

    Unions had a noble and good purpose 100 years ago; but that noble purpose has been replaced strictly with greed and demands that are not in touch with the world we live in today (see the auto unions for a prime example). I have no doubt there is greed on both sides of the table here; it’s just too bad unions weren’t squashed in Hollywood years ago.

    Dunder Mifflin had the right idea – NO UNION! Free market – after all, Darryl was barely making less than Michael.

  430. “is determined by the contracts that the writers themselves signed.”

    Yep. And those contracts are up. The strike is related to a breakdown in negotiations over a new contract.

    I feel bad for the crew members. This sucks. But I think we’re all assuming that they’re dirt poor or just scraping by while the actors and writers are millionaires. That’s not really the case. Good crew people are *very* well compensated. Men and women in the industry’s technical professions have chosen to work in a volatile industry. Shows get canceled and scaled-down all the time. There’s no sure thing. People get laid off from all kinds of jobs all the time. But I don’t see why that means that the writers should just take whatever contract they’re offered.

    If we’re going to admonish the writers to save better and make better plans, shouldn’t we admonish the crew members similarly? I’m sure many of them have had the experience of being laid off when a show got canceled or dropped from the schedule. And it’s not like the strike was a total shock. The writing has been on the wall for quite a while.

  431. Writing is a _creative_ line of work. Think of it like the music industry. People listened to music on cassettes and every time one was sold each musician, singer, and person who wrote the song got a percentage of the sale. Technology moves to the compact disk and the recording industry solely sells new music on CDs. The musicians are still going to get a percentage of the sales from CDs. Now new technology has advanced to where music is sold through mp3s. The artists still get money for the music they created. Heck, they get a check every time you hear their song on a car commercial. Technology changed, but the recording industry doesn’t hold a monopoly on an album just because a band has been paid a fixed amount for it. They get paid each time someone buys the album or the song.

    Same with these residuals. This is a work they all created and studios will make money off of for a long time. They get paid their percentage each time the studio makes a profit off of the creative work they made. Just because the technology has changed, doesn’t mean they don’t get paid.

  432. The letter from the key grip is so heartbreaking. I never knew just how many people work on these sets and to hear that ALL of these people are out of work is just terrible. It’s so hard because I totally support the writers and believe they should be fairly compensated for their material, but I also see how this is affecting so many families.

    I still fault the studios and really wish they would give into the WGA’s demands. I can’t believe these billionaires are worried about losing a couple million (that shouldn’t even be theirs in the first place!), when thousands are going to be losing their homes and careers. I wish I could do more.

  433. Regardless of where ownership of the copyright for a particular written work lies, the writer’s residual compensation is based on the principals of copyright law. If NBC gains ownership of the copyright for a script, part of the consideration for that agreement transferring ownership is a residual payment when that script is used.

    Copyright and Patent law are based on the public policy of encouraging creativity and invention by giving a creator certain rights.

    Can you sign away your rights to material you write? Of course. And that’s what happened under the previous writers contract, under which the writers were not owed any residuals for new media uses of their work. But that contract is no longer in force. They aren’t breaching a contract now or going back on their word, or anything of the sort. They are trying to secure a new contract that compensates them for this new form of distribution in the same manner they are compensated for more traditional forms of distribution. This will be even more important going forward as the new media replaces the traditional distributino channels.

  434. #386,

    But the thing is that the writers don’t own the copyright on their written material. NBC owns The Office and they own the copyright on all of the writing for The Office. That means that they also own every penny that the show makes. However much (or little) of it they give to the writers is up to them, and is determined by the contracts that the writers themselves signed. So to say that the writers are owed residuals of any kind because of copyright law isn’t correct.

  435. Obviously, everyone’s entitled to their opinion. But the idea that the writers should just be paid once for their work product is completely inconsistent not only with industry standards developed over the last 80 or so years, but with copyright law. Basically, any one who creates any sort of written material has a copyright in that material just by virtue of creating it. A copyright owner has the right to control its distribution and the number of copies made, etc. From this basic concept flows the idea of residuals, where original creators are paid on the basis of copies made and distributed. Most of us work in industries where our work product is not widely distributed and thus money is not made by our employers based on the number of copies made, sold or viewed. The studios who employ writers for TV programs, movies, etc. make money based on how widely their product is viewed. Therefore, it makes sense that the creators be compensated at least partially on the basis of the number of copies out there–it should make no difference whether it’s viewed on a cell phone, over a computer, on the TV, or whatever new device may be developed in the future. Support the writers!

  436. 373,

    The contract’s term is over. The strike is a result of the breakdown of talks to negotiate a new contract. So the writers strike doesn’t breach their contract, since it’s no longer in effect.

    Residuals aren’t extra, residuals are the measure by which the writers are compensated. Just like hours worked are the measure of a hourly employee’s compensation. Since the current contract predates online distriubtion of the writers work, residuals for that media simply weren’t contemplated during the negotiation of the previous contract.

    In closing, Go Writers!

  437. I’ve been having difficulty figuring out how I feel about all of this, but reading Ellen Degeneres’ decision to cross picket lines for her show to go on just summed it up perfectly. I think concessions like hers need to start happening:

    “I want to say I love my writers. I love them. In honor of them today, I’m not going to do a monologue,” she’s quoted as saying. “[But] people have traveled across the country. They’ve made plans. They’re here. I want to do everything I can to make your trip enjoyable and give you a show.”

    In the name of entertainment, which is the purpose of these shows, this strike has some big slaps in our (the loyal, viewing public) faces.

  438. I wrote down all the advertisers who were on during last night’s show. They were: Crest, T Mobile, Universal, KMart, FedEx/Kinko’s, McDonald’s, Honda, Shrek on DVD, Target, Seinfeld on DVD, Verizon, Macy’s, Applebee’s, Chuck and Larry on DVD, Secret antiperspirant. I plan to write emails and letters to any company who “crosses the line” and advertises during reruns that air during the strike suggesting that they might support the writers by pulling their advertising temporarily.

  439. #378, I agree with you. The people who are really being hurt by this strike are the ones who make the least. I was in favor of the writers at first, but I have kind of changed my opinion after reading more about it. I don’t know how many of these writers really want to go on strike, but do it just because the union is telling them to do so. I go to work every day, create a product for clients, and don’t expect to get paid anything extra for multiple uses of that product. The company that I work for does, and I understand that is just how business works. They say that writers don’t have much job security, and that is why they want to make residual profits for the work, but not many people in this world really do have much job security…and yes I am bitter about losing my favorite television show of all time, so it may be jading my opinion.

  440. 380 Andrea, i think Jenna meant to explain how important the residuals are to _other people_, ones who make a lot less than she does. relatively few writers ever become as successful as the ones on The Office, and their income stream is often irregular. they depend on those residuals to get by during the dry times.

  441. V. disappointed with Jenna’s blog. She’s worried about residuals, yet she’s reported to be making close to $100K per episode. Poor thing, must be rough to be making that kind of money in a year.

  442. #376: “As for the studios taking such a large share…They assume all the risk. If millions are spent developing a show and it fails and loses all that money, are the writer’s willing to “give back” a certain percentage of the money they were paid?”

    The writers do assume a risk–if their shows don’t do well, they won’t get residual payments because they’ll never be re-aired.

    I do hope things get settled quickly, for the sake of crew members and people in related industries, but I’d rather see a long strike than major concessions by the writers.

  443. It’s not that I feel they don’t deserve their slice of the pie. In a utopian world, everyone would get paid exactly what they deserved.
    Like others here, I feel very sorry for all the people losing their jobs because of this. People who will never have the clout and power that writers and actors have. They put their blood, sweat and tears into their jobs too…why do they deserve so much less?
    As for the studios taking such a large share…They assume all the risk. If millions are spent developing a show and it fails and loses all that money, are the writer’s willing to “give back” a certain percentage of the money they were paid? Seems like it should work both ways.
    Maybe I’m just being selfish. I want my Office back…and heck, if I thought there was a chance in hell I’d get paid for residual profits from my job, I guess I’d probably try for it too. Wish we all had that luxury. I’m one of those loonies who settles for being paid by the HOUR! Oh the horror! (Tanster: It’s hard to rant in under 200 words *g* )

  444. #372: When the contracts were set up, there were no Internet airings, so how could they have been included?

    The writers’ pay is set up to include upfront fees and residuals. By reairing episodes online instead of on TV, the networks avoid having to pay residuals. That’s the issue. The residuals have ALWAYS been part of writers’ income; it’s not something new they’re demanding.

  445. #372:

    Amen, brother! (or sister!) That’s what I’ve been saying all along! The networks are paying them according to the contracts they signed. Simple as that. If I do a great job at work and make my company lots of money, I don’t expect to get anything from it. All I expect is to make the salary I agreed to. And if I were to picket my building and insult my bosses trying to get more than the salary I agreed to, I would be fired. Simple as that.

  446. Why does everyone (including the writers) say they aren’t getting paid for their work? They do get paid for their work. It’s in their contracts and obviously they get paid. What they don’t get is EXTRA pay for episodes on the internet and episodes sold on the internet. But the thing is, a lot of people do extra work on their jobs and they don’t get paid for it. If you don’t like how you aren’t going to get paid for the “extras” then maybe you shouldn’t agree to work for that employee in the first place.

    Seriously, folks. THEY GET PAID! Just not extra. Yeah, maybe they should get compensated for the extra stuff but they agreed to that by signing their contracts. In my opinion, after that contract is signed, you have no room to complain. It’s your fault then.

  447. Just want to let you know that there is an online petition to AMPTP on the unitedhollywood site. Last time I checked there were almost 1500 signatures. Woo-hoo!!

  448. OK, here’s my honest, but blunt, advice for the writers:

    1. Don’t claim that you’re doing this for the little guy when your actions are directly hurting the little guys (crew members).

    2. If you still insist on claiming that you’re doing this for the little guy, then don’t publish a tape in which all you do is b!+c# about how terribly NBC treats you. (If you’re making 6 figures, you’re not being treated terribly. Period.)

    3. If you’re so worried about those lean years when you’re not working, I have a solution for you: save some money. We normal people have to do that. Give it a try. You may not be able to live your six-figure lifestyle, but you’ll make it.

    4. If you don’t want to save any money now, here’s another suggestion for those lean years: get another job. It isn’t beneath you to get a non-glamorous, non-Hollywood job. Again, we normal people do it all the time. Give it a try.

  449. Blame for crews being laid off can’t all be put on the writers. The quicker the producers cave, the quicker the crews can go back to work.

    What alternatives do writers have if they aren’t being paid for their work? They could quit, and go into another career. Which, if it happened across the spectrum, would result in just as many crew layoffs as the strike. Or they could stay on, and continue to be paid less and less as more of their work is distributed on residual free new media.

    Writers are paid based on their writing being used. By using their writings, making a profit, and not paying, the networks have forced the writers in a corner. Because of this, I’d say it’s the networks who are more to blame for any crew layoffs.

    If the networks don’t make any money from a particular form of new media distribution, fine, don’t pay the writers. But if a network does make money from a new media distribution, the writers should have a share, just like they have a share from a TV broadcast that brings in revenue.

  450. “Except for putting a bunch of middle-class crew members out of work during holiday season.”

    The problem with this argument is that work is out there for anyone. Yes, it may not be what you love to do and yes, you may be vastly overqualified for it, but I have little to no sympathy for people who cry that there’s no work to be found when there clearly is. And that goes for anybody.

  451. “I don’t know that I’d characterize the strikers as “heroes,” but they’re standing in solidarity and fighting for fair contracts. There’s nothing wrong with that.”

    Except for putting a bunch of middle-class crew members out of work during holiday season.

  452. Jim, I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the writers are noble, or heroes. But they are workers who are, in part, not getting paid for work they’re doing (e.g., promos and webisodes); and workers who are, in part, losing out on money that some of them need because the networks have interpreted their contracts to exclude streaming video. The WGA is correct that there may come a time in the not-distant future when most or even all of the networks’ profits will come from internet-based viewing. They’re currently interpreting the writers’ contracts to include residuals only from television airings. As Jenna said, even she might have to depend on residuals to pay her bills one day — and for the unemployed 48% of WGA members, that’s a reality today. Shows like Lost never show reruns so that people have to buy the episodes online or watch them again with ads. Those writers and actors will never see a residual dollar.

    I don’t know that I’d characterize the strikers as “heroes,” but they’re standing in solidarity and fighting for fair contracts. There’s nothing wrong with that.

  453. 358, Greg:
    I think you are being a little harsh. I think what Jenna was trying to say was that everyone is threatened by the strike. It is basically a snowball effect: the “little man” will eventually affect the “big man” in the long run. Hollywood is a fickle town; you can be on top one minute and and then completely forgotten about the next. I think Jenna is aware of that and therefore knows that even a big name like her is not safe.

  454. #361,

    Thanks for the link to that. It makes some of the same points that I’ve been trying to make here. (But he makes them much better than I ever could.) Everyone here should take the time to read what he has to say. In my opinion, the writers aren’t the noble, selfless heroes that many people are trying to make them.

  455. Just FYI, John (ex crew member, i think propmaster, of the office) has written a blog discussing the strike from a crewmembers point of view. Very interesting. It can be found here

  456. #348 –
    If you read the chat with Mike Schur, he said that Steve did not actually say that, it was written as a joke by a blogger at UnitedHollyWood.com.

    Also, I highly doubt they will cancel the Office because of this, but don’t think that the Office will live forever. Like all great shows, the people eventually want to move on.

  457. It’s interesting that in Jenna’s blog, she says that if Hollywood was shut down, she wouldn’t have any money to pay for her electric bill. I love Jenna Fischer and her work, but that’s a really pathetic statement. She’s basically saying she’s above getting a real job and would never even consider it, even when her house has gone dark. It’s kind of sad how far removed Hollywood is from the real world at times.

  458. #352 Pamera – they have been laid off because there is simply no work to DO right now, and the studios have no reason to pay or employ them. I’m under the impression, however, that it isn’t a permanent situation – meaning, they’ll get their jobs back when production starts up again on The Office.

    (Correct me if I’m wrong.)

  459. Pamera,

    Yes, all of the crew members have been laid off. Since the show has officially been shut down “for good”, there’s no need to be paying the crew any more. It’s just a bit ironic. In their noble quest to help the “little guys” (the struggling writers), they have really hurt the real “little guys” (the crew members).

  460. I’m sorry if this question has been answered already, but there’s so many comments and so many things to search through that I honestly have no idea where to start looking. I was looking through some of these comments and I saw that someone mentioned that crewmembers have been laid off. Is this true, or did I just read the comment wrong? If it is true, why have they been laid off? I hope it’s not because they are supporting the writers!

  461. The networks are corrupt and greedy.

    The writers are ungrateful and whiny.

    A pox on both their houses!

    My hope is that the networks go bankrupt and that the writers’ strike lasts forever. Then the networks will have to start over and hire new writers with fresh ideas. Maybe then TV wouldn’t be the vast wasteland (with one or two good shows) that it is now.

  462. Just read Jenna’s blog, I’m just sick that the next episode in production was going to be “the funniest one ever”!!!
    THIS IS TORTURE!

  463. ITA, Marcus. I think my favorite part was when one of the writers (I’ve not seen most of them in person, so forgive me) says “I’d like to punch up this interaction, but I’m on strike.” HA.

    Meghan, they might have pulled the online content because it’s in dispute in the negotiations — either that or the volume of visitors is crashing the site.

  464. I don’t share the confidence that many here have that The Office is sure to come back after the strike. That’s because there’s something in Hollywood that’s even more important than ratings or money. That thing is EGO. It sure seems like Greg Daniels and Steve Carell are going above and beyond in this strike–really rubbing it in and being bitter and snarky and relishing it. (cf. enlarged balls comment) That can’t sit well at all with Ben Silverman who was their biggest supporter at Reveille and is now in charge at NBC. He’s gotta feel pretty betrayed by all of this. If this keeps going, Silverman may just cancel The Office and be willing to give up ratings for a while for the sake of winning the battle of egos. That’s the scary part of all this.

  465. Steve, if you are reading this, and need an excuse for next week, you should tell NBC that you burned your foot on your George Forman grill. That should buy you at least a couple of weeks.

  466. Greg’s my hero. I’m so proud of him for not giving a damn. The writers are what MAKE television shows. I’m surprised other shows haven’t shut down yet.

    Yes, the strike sucks. We all want more Office. But look at how close this has brought the entire cast!

    326… hahaha.

  467. Hopefully, this will get resolved quick, not just so we can continue to see new episodes of our favorite show but so all the various crew members and the various industries connected to the film industry who will be hurt by this won’t be too hard bitten.

  468. I like the way Greg Garcia put it, “I want to throw up and cry!” I hope they can resolve this issue soon.

  469. I just read Jenna’s blog and it makes you realize just how much this strike effects their lives!

    It’s just like the auto workers, nurses or teachers, etc. who strike and lose compensation for their living wages while they do so…….everyone is a human being and has bills to be paid!

    I hope for everyone’s sake in the cast and crew that this ends soon! We all LOVE our FAVORITE show on TV, but their livelihoods are at stake! It almost seems selfish to have our entertainment be the most important thing here.

    Come on studio execs, get your “poop in a group” (a.k.a. get your “sh%t together” and end this strike NOW!

    We will unite with our letter writing campaign………..and who here thinks Tanster should become the “Regional Manager” that leads the way? You have done so much for this show and it is so appreciated by everyone involved I’m sure, including us die hard fans!

  470. just my two Abe Lincolns in support of the writers. That youtube video of Michael Schur, Mindy, Paul, and Greg is fantastic. Even in such a serious situation they make people laugh. They’re really what makes the Office so phenomenal and they deserve every penny they’re asking for!

  471. 325 | Mani

    Hilarious! That was great.

    330 | Ryan

    The writers would get a portion of the money that advertisers pay to put their commercials in the middle of the shows.

  472. I just read that the season finale, or at least the last episode until the end of the strike will be “The Deposition!”

    Writer’s Strike = Good!
    No more Office = Bad!

  473. Hey, I put together a small clip on YouTube with two clips from The Office for the strike. I want to basically comp the writers for the use of their media on the internet, and I was wondering how I can do such.

    My video is available at:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr-erj15-yg

    If you know how I can reach my goal, I’d appreciate it!

  474. I haven’t been here since this morning because I was hoping for good news when I logged back on—“enlarged balls” for Steve Carrell–NOOOOO! Come back Office! I hope there is a resolution SOON!

  475. Exactly how would they get paid for online episodes? People can re-watch them a million times…they shouldn’t be paid for all of those viewings.

  476. My mother doesn’t know anything about the strike. I started explaining to her a little bit and all of a sudden she made the best point..

    “That is ironic because in the music business, songWRITERS make all the money.”

    It’s so true! In music the value of good writing is taken seriously and writers are given what they truly deserve (great money).I thought it was a good point.

  477. Guys – there have been times when people are upset with the Networks that letter writing campaigns and online campaigns from the “Average Fan” have been huge. Has anyone come across links to this sort of thing yet? Can we get that posted if anything comes up? Can we start something in support of The Office specifically? Usually someone is able to track down the mailing addresses of the Network executives offices, and then mass mailing campaigns (like coordinating dates to send stuff so they get TONS at one time, and like, a formal outline of what to say so it’s a billion of IDENTICAL pieces of mail, that sort of thing) can begin.

    I’d start this, because I’m totally in support of participating … but I lack the technical knowledge to have the website going, and the knowledge of any executive contact information or what we can do.

    But let’s try to figure out something as TV viewers that we can do in support of our favourite show, and the other programs we all enjoy every week! :-D Maybe Tanster can help us do something through Office Tally.com ?

    And if not mass mailings to NBC, maybe at least support mailings to The Office staff?

  478. This strike makes me cry. How could they just completely stop a wonderful little TV show just like that?

  479. I don’t know if this is a coincidence or not, but I just tried to watch the deleted scenes and none of the on-line video for the office is avaliable. there’s just error messages.

  480. Does anyone know where Greg and the rest of the writers are picketing? I’d love to get some people together and send some food over there.

  481. Hmm, I just noticed The Coup added to the schedule as the first rerun to be shown. I wonder if that’s commentary on NBC’s part about the current situation…
    I wonder if Money will be next. Or, if I’m optimistic, Conflict Resolution and then The Return :)

  482. I don’t know if this is a reasonable idea to attempt via internet… but I’d really like to show some support for these writers that we all adore and hopefully support during this controversial time. I’d like to think it will give them a mid-week boost to send something nice to them at the picket lines. Like what? A cookie cake! Cookie cakes make everyone happy, right? Plus we could personalize it with a fun quote or picture. I’ll be brainstorming on ideas on how this will be possible. (I know someone earlier said they live near universal studios.) Meanwhile, I’d like to know how many other people even think the idea is legit.

  483. I know how tempting it is to join them in condemning THE EVIL STUDIOS, but let’s keep a few things in mind.

    1. Any increases in writer pay for online content and DVD sales will come from the pockets of consumers.
    2. Without the support of these studios, low-rated shows like The Office would not get a chance to shine. They stood by this show through its rocky start and its long struggle to find an audience.

    I’m really disappointed that these overpaid writers have decided to put their own interests ahead of those of the fans. I may not watch The Office when/if it returns. No big loss, since the current season hasn’t been all that great.

  484. Wow, they struck the location. That means that at the very least they’re done shooting for the season. It could very possibly mean even more than that.

  485. Steve was very cute on Leno last week…you could tell he was awestruck by Manny Ramirez (as he should be).

    As for them not getting paid for the webisodes then what did they do them for?

    So the gripe is about getting paid for their written word appearing in places other than television sets. Seems fair. And America slowing down and not watching so much tv is not a bad thing.

  486. A couple of things:
    1. GO STEVE!!!
    2. GO DANIELS!!!
    3. Go and read Jenna Fischer’s new blog
    4. And you’ll think like me why don’t you give them the money and start filming
    all ready!!!!

    GO The Writers Guild of America !!!!!

  487. Who else thinks that it’s completely hilarious that the first repeat shown will be “The Coup”? That’s irony if I’ve ever seen in.

    [from tanster: yes! made me giggle.]

  488. Is there any way online fans can actively support this strike? There are a heck of a lot of us. Would it make any difference/ help the WGA at all?

  489. Re Kim (289):

    That is such a fantastic idea!!!!

    Tanster, if this strike goes on longer than the filmed episodes last, could we please put up hilarious strike quotes?

  490. Is anyone else having trouble watching episodes on nbc.com. I can’t even get to the page that has the videos!

  491. beewcar — as with most commercial enterprises, it’s not nearly that simple. This is a huge battleground. I feel exactly the same way you do; but studios are parts of huge conglomerates (NBC is actually a division of GE) and are answerable to those conglomerates. Those conglomerates demand a certain profit margin and while eleven cents seems like nothing to us, given the volume we’re talking about and (as Jenna noted in her blog) the fact that the internet is the future of TV, we’re potentially talking about a *huge* chunk of profits. So there’s a lot at stake here.

    Which isn’t to say that I don’t agree. It’s just not a matter of a CEO making $60 million instead of $61 million. Both parties are thinking long-term.

  492. Okay, i watched a YouTube video of the writers’ demands, and they seem okay. Just four more cents per DVD sale, and when an episode streams on the interet, they want to get paid as if it is on TV. Doesn’t seem TOO bad, but if they are gonna shut down the best show on TV for an extended period of time, well I am not okay with that.

  493. I’m actually crying. I don’t mean to be selfish, I mean, I support the writers (whom I love dearly) in their strike, but I might DIE of deprivation if there is no more office. And according to Jenna’s blog they had to stop shooting the best episode yet. Please please please make the writers happy so they can start shooting again.

  494. I think Angela said it best.

    Angela: I know that patience and loyalty are good and virtuous traits but sometimes I just think you need to grow a pair.

  495. RE: #276

    Oh my god! Great idea! Whoever has the technological capabilities should get started on this… stat. Ooh! And it would be great to use a lot of deleted scenes in them, because then they’d feel newer.

  496. 274,

    I’m more optomistic than you on this point. The way I see it, there is no reason why a network would cancel a popular show with a loyal following in a sought after demographic, and replace it with an unknown new show due to a strike. A network can make more money with a show that has a proven audience, so I don’t see why they would replace it with something new that might bomb. Particularly since, if the writers win their demands, all shows, new or existing, will be subject to the same new media residual requirements.

    In summary, “The Office is shut down for good” means shooting is shut down for the duration of the strike.

  497. They should be kissing the writers’ asses by now! More power to them! I love the Office cast and crew!

  498. On an ironic and illogical note: Angela, Brian, and Oscar are scheduled to appear on “Deal or No Deal” in early December. While the show was surely taped before the strike began, you’d think these actors would have the sense enough not to appear on the type of show (Reality) that may inevitably replace writer-centric shows, should the strike go on for longer than a couple of months.

    It is like buying a fancy new perfume for the girl who stole your boyfriend.

  499. No, please tell me they haven’t shut it down for good! I love this show, and I am the most obsessive fan ever. I get giddy on Thursdays at the slightest thought of a new episode, and I watch my DVDs of previous seasons every day. If it is shut down for good, we’ll miss you guys. The writers are brilliant, and they deserve more, but this is drastic. Come back soon!

  500. I respect the writers, but think fans would love a wordless episode. just our fav cast doing “office things.” A whole hours worth. Copying, pouring coffee, fooling with the venetian blinds, scratching. Give it to me.

  501. What does “The Office is shut down for good” thing mean? Like shut down forever or just until the strike ends? My world is falling apart!

  502. Some of these quotes belong in Officetally’s subhead.

    “You know what’s my favorite promotion? Lost.”

    “Steve Carell informed NBC he is unable to report to work because he is suffering from ‘enlarged balls.'”

  503. Why don’t the studios just pony up and give them their fair share? Like Mike Schur said it’s only like 11 cents for every 270,000,000 downloads. And to whoever said they’ll start making us pay for online content, I don’t believe it. The studios have enough money and make enough off of the DVD sales and the past iTunes downloads to give the writing staff their cut of the dough. Just get it over with!

  504. #274-
    I will have to respectfully yet strongly disagree with you. Although the show does not have the best ratings in the overall category, it’s easily in the top 10 for the 18-45 category which matters the most to the networks. The Office has an amazing fan and critic support and it’s one of NBC’s biggest hits in the past ten five years. There’s a very little chance that NBC will cancel the show.

  505. Post 274:

    Mediocre ratings? The Office is one of the highest rated shows on NBC. Not only that they have some of the highest ratings for adults 18-49 for any show on any network.

    NBC would lose viewers and be the subject of many write in campaigns and online protests if they tried to cancel our little show after the strike.

  506. Tanster and Shan21 — the online content is a big part of this problem and one of the key pieces of the WGA’s platform. They are seeking a portion of the profit from online content equivalent to that they hope to receive from the DVD sales. So, yeah — online content is a no-go.

    I’m really glad I watched the United Hollywood video and The Office is Closed. I had no idea the writers weren’t paid for the Accountants’ Webisodes or for writing promos for other shows. But I’m sure Jeff Immelt’s shiny new mansion in the Hamptons is worth it.

  507. The “Brass Balls” article says the crew has been asked back to “strike the location”. Doesn’t that mean tear down and throw away? When I first heard that they were dismissing the crew, I just assumed this meant they didn’t want to pay those salaries while the strike shook out, but this sounds like ENDING production. I hope “the location” is just Michael’s condo.

    Also, does anybody know if the residual rate is split between the writing staff or for each writer? Because 2.5% over a writing staff of 10 shoots up to 25%. Can that be right?

  508. Chill out guys. The show will be back when this is resolved. What’s this about mediocre ratings? It’s as strong as ever in the key demos.

  509. #274: Although the Office is in the middle overall in terms of ratings, it’s a top 10 show among the 18-49 demographic, the only one advertisers really care about. It’s also the most popular comedy on NBC. I am more worried about one of my other favorite shows, 30 Rock.

  510. This is a telling reason why the two sides need to sit down and resume talks NOW:

    “When someone is not in the entertainment business, I do not think he or she realizes how many people it actually requires to produce a show… These are the people who put in 15-20 hour days on stage or on grueling locations. These are the people who miss out on time with their families to finish a picture…”

    Full letter

  511. Ok, the last link scares me. The Office shut down for good!?! For good as in until the strike ends or for forever?

  512. I think our talented youtube-mash-up-makers should splice together old “Office” clips and dialogue to make “new” episodes for us while the well is dry. It could be a fun new OT challenge!

  513. #272:

    That’s a very good question. At this point no one can say for sure. But the antagonism that the writers and actors are showing NBC right now combined with the mediocre ratings The Office is getting combined with the fact that if the writers “win” the strike all of The Office’s online content will skyrocket in price, seems to cast some doubt on the future of The Office.

  514. Hollywood’s Nice Guy + Balls=Steve Carell

    Boy, if he really said that, it’s hilarious.

    I will miss the show desperately, but I agree with the writers one hundred percent. Our “Office” writers are not only incredibly talented, but tough!

  515. Once (and if) this whole ordeal is resolved, will the office resume, or is it gone forever?

  516. I am in love with that man. Seriously, he’s the best smartass in Hollywood. No, excuse me, THE WORLD.

  517. I support the WGA with all my heart, and hope the writers can get a fair contract. It’s too bad it puts the Office out of business for a while, but the folks who create the words of Jim, Pam, Michael, Toby, Ryan, Kelly, Kevin and the rest of the bunch deserve the compensation. I’m going to lay off the network site and not watch the streaming video (nor those commercials)or download anything until this is resolved. Keep up the good fight, writers! And, Steve, I hope your balls never get small.

  518. Steve is definitely the best, as if there was any doubt. Great quote to NBC! I do think it’s great that Steve and other actors have taken this stand on the strike, but on the other hand, I also understand other actors who have continued to report to work per their contracts. It’s such a complicated matter, so I don’t fault those actors, particularly those who are not writers, who have continued to film their shows or movies.

  519. Writing to Office Tally isn’t enough. Send a letter to your local TV stations and promise that you’ll not be watching their programming until the writers get the compensation they deserve. Send a letter to the network corporate headquarters as well. TV consumers have considerable power in this issue and we can put pressure on to resolve the issue.

  520. props to steve…i know rainn wilson also called in sick when the strike began…i wonder if he was afflicted with a similar malady =P?

    anyway, i’m glad actors like steve carell are taking a stand and showing their support for this strike. if others like him take the same initiative, i can see a possibility of a quicker resolution of this whole affair. in the meantime, i hope the crews and staff of this show and all the others can feel some support too…i read somewhere that the ER cast is going to raise money to help out members of their crew who will have more financial difficulty during this time, which i think is really great of them.

  521. HA! Oh, Steve! I’ve been so bummed about this whole thing, so I’m grateful for all the laughs they can give. Apparently, they can give a lot.

  522. I’m somewhat angry, and feel a little cheated, at the media sources that provide the “free” programming. I’m a dedicated fan of many TV shows, including The Office, and I make it a point whenever possible to watch the show when it’s aired on the networks. Am I wrong in feeling this way?

  523. Question (for tanster or whomever has an opinion on this):

    If we watch the full episodes on NBC.com (as linked to in the weekend tally), are we hurting the writers?

    The writers don’t get any portion of the advertising money from those online episodes, and that’s one of the main things they’re fighting for. If we can support the writers by tuning out when the networks air repeats, shouldn’t we also support them by not watching the online episodes?

    [from tanster: excellent question. i have asked it as well, and hope to get an answer soon.]

  524. Reading the words “production officially shut down” makes me sad. This is only until the strike gets resolved, right? Or is this kind of it for The Office?

    To NBC/Other Studios: Give the writers what they want, or you’ll have not only a strike but a mob of protesting fans! :'(

  525. Everybody needs to think before they type. The Office is one of the top rated shows on television, and Season 4 may be shortened, but there is no way the show is going to close over this strike. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

  526. Tanster thank you so much for putting all of this together.

    I’ve been obsessing over this all day.

    And, yes I spell checked obsessing so this comment would get through.

  527. Yeah, thank you so much, Tanster. This feels like the election coverage or something…except I actually care.

    [from tanster: ROFL!]

  528. this was on yahoo news…

    “The girl named Lakshmi is joined to a “parasitic twin” that stopped developing in the mother’s womb. The surviving fetus absorbed the limbs, kidneys and other body parts of the undeveloped fetus.”

    It reminded me of Dwight…I’m going to miss this show soooo much =(

  529. oh no! it has shut down production? this isn’t good. well i am fully behind the writers on this one. i just hope we get it back soon :]

  530. I saw Seth Myers on the subway this morning and asked him if he was headed to the strike, he said yeah…and I started crying as soon as he got off.

    this is so terrible. I feel really dumb for being upset but I’m glad people here are sad too.

  531. LOL Elisabeth! And how amazing is this show that we even have quotes like that to begin with?? We owe so much to the writers. They are truly incredible!!

    Thanks for keeping us updated Tanster. I’ve been refreshing this page like every 10 minutes!

    [from tanster: you’re welcome. hopefully i’ll have more to update later tonight.]

  532. It feels so strange to feel so sick to my stomach and yet so proud of the cast of The Office for shutting down production. I keep thinking about all the people who aren’t going to be working because of the strike, and who can’t afford not to work. But the writers are right. They just are. The AMPTP… those guys are a bunch of JERKS.

    I keep hearing about the fans who are sending pizza and food to the picketing writers. Someone needs to send some pizza and some baked goods to the crew, who are really the ones out of luck here.

  533. I’m sure this has been said before, but this feels like somebody took my heart and dropped it into a bucket of boiling tears. And at the same time, somebody else is hitting my soul in the crotch with a frozen sledgehammer. And then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone. And I’m crying, and nobody can hear me, because I’m terribly, terribly… terribly alone.

  534. Argh. Well usually reading things on Officetally makes my day ever so pleasurable. Reading Dan Beal’s Myspace blog, however was not so pleasing. I support the WGA, but still — I am heartbroken at the thought of spending my winter with nothing to look forward to on Thursdays. Hopefully this will blow over. If not, In the words of Michael Scott: “I am going to drop a deuce on everyone. “

  535. This is all so upsetting. And what can I not get out of my head? These lines: “It feels like somebody took my heart and dropped it into a bucket of boiling tears and at the same time, somebody else is hitting my soul in the crotch with a frozen sledgehammer and then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone and I’m crying, and nobody can hear me, because I am terribly, terribly, terribly alone.”

    That’s pretty much how I feel too, Michael.
    I support the writers 100%, but please get this resolved soon, I want my Office back!!

  536. Tanster: I’m just curious what your take is on this.

    [from tanster: there’s a reason why i labor over ‘favorite quotes’ and the quote randomizer every thursday. i support the writers 100%.]

  537. i am crushed. i cannot believe it. my stomach has sunken. i love the office so much, i hope it returns. please return!

  538. I’m a member of a newspaper union in Canada. I’m not entirely sure how these things work in the US, but I would imagine that, when you’re dealing with a situation with multiple unions at a single workplace, as a sign of respect you refuse to cross picket lines once they are set up. But if an injunction is obtained by the employer or some threat of penalty is issued against other unions not involved in that particular job action, you do report for work. That’s generally how things have worked on labour disruptions that I’ve covered as a reporter.

  539. I seriously can’t imagine my life without The Office. I know that sounds dramatic, but it’s my all-time favorite show. I thought that after I saw everyone at the convention, it would be the best Office year ever! But now it looks like we could have a 7 episode season ): . But who knows, really. This whole thing could get resolved tomorrow (I hope!).

  540. i wouldn’t expect anything less from a cast like this, but honestly –the thought of no more office till however long makes me depressed. at least tanster gets some rest ;) ..although i doubt it with this coverage/fan base.

    [from tanster: no rest for me. at least not in the foreseeable future.]

  541. Yikes, if the strike drags on the networks may begin cancelling shows with mediocre ratings such as The Office, which finished 4th in it’s time slot last week.

  542. Seeing that there are highly complex employment law issues here, does anyone know the contractual ramifications for the actors (those who are not members of WGA)? It seems apparent they are in breach of contract, but does a strike like this engender any legal remedies actors can pursue?

    I do support the WGA and the actors in their stand against this inequality – I sure hope the TV execs understand what they are doing and the two parties can reach a reasonable resolution soon.

    Au revoir, Dunderheads – hopefully we can watch some new episodes soon.

  543. So is that it for the season now? And what about the fact that NBC bought a certain number of episodes for the season? Will those still be honored and shot once the st